light weapons gear?

Heath B fraychef · Post by **Heath B fraychef** » Thu Aug 09, 2001 6:47 pm

i was wondering if any one here makes light weapons gear?
while obviously not as profitable as heavy armour, im wondering if theres a market for this stuff. im mainly talking about helms.
when i first got into the society i wasent old enough for heavy so light was the way to go.
and having nearly no money we had to make our own gear.
a friend and i made 2 japanese kabutos and 1 english lobstertail.
for rookies they were impressive. (and i believe still in use somewhere in caid)
now 12 yrs later ive got an itch to make some more but find it pointless if im just making these things to give away.
somehow i still have little money.
anyway let me know, it would be fun to try again.

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se fray stent feste !

Ideval · Post by **Ideval** » Thu Aug 09, 2001 6:55 pm

Definitely is there a market.
Either dress helms or helms modified for schlaeger or rebated sword fighting.
Do you wish to sell SCA primarily?
I think that anything you make would sell on e-bay, as well. And Renaissance Faires are a great rip-off for buyers if you can get a fair-priced booth.

IdÃ«val

master nim · Post by **master nim** » Thu Aug 09, 2001 7:55 pm

what are kabutos and lobstertails???? any pics?

jgalak · Post by **jgalak** » Thu Aug 09, 2001 11:48 pm

fraygod: I and several members of our group are on the lookout for shlager fencing armor. This is "light" compared to rattan armor. 16ga mild/18 ga SS fro helms, 18ga mild for other things is probably enough. Helms would need pierced-plate visors

I know I am looking for an English lobstertail pothelm, and one other person wants a Morion. We are also looking for peasecod-style breastplates (possibly with no backplates, not decided yet). Burgeonets and steel gorgets are also useful.

We are not looking for this immediately, but will likely buy this stuff over the course of the next year or so, depending on price.

If this is the sort of thing you have in mind, there's proabably a pretty good niche market there for you.

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Yehuda ben Moshe
mka Juliean Galak

Heath B fraychef · Post by **Heath B fraychef** » Fri Aug 10, 2001 12:12 am

ok a kabuto is a japanese helm you know the really cool pretty ones.
a lobstertail is sort of similar in that it has articulated neck plates.but it also has rigid cheek plates.
sorry i dont have any pics handy.
ill look up the requirements for sca legal equipment and maybe go from there.
and no im not necessisarily only thinking sca but right now thats all i know.
ok so at least i now have the response i was looking for to start playing around.
thanks again

Jean Casqueur · Post by **Jean Casqueur** » Fri Aug 10, 2001 5:35 am

If memory serves me (which it usually doesn't) someone posted a link here a few weeks ago to a place that made cheap helmets which could easily be modified for fencing. I beleive they had both burgonets and morions.

I could be wrong though..

/Jean

Hob · Post by **Hob** » Fri Aug 10, 2001 10:00 am

The indian helms that can be modified for fencing:

http://www.geocities.com/cadetem/
http://members.home.net/agormanshaw/

LOGOS · Post by **LOGOS** » Thu Aug 16, 2001 3:25 pm

Yes, there is a market if you can deliver what you promise and your prices are not outrageous.

Norman · Post by **Norman** » Thu Aug 16, 2001 3:42 pm

A helmet for Fencing with schlager/epee/foil is realy no different to make than one for fencing with rattan.

...except that its lighter and fewer compromises of "periodness" need to be made.

I don't see why any armourer would not take such a commision.

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LOGOS · Post by **LOGOS** » Fri Aug 17, 2001 9:37 am

I have been trying to get a decent lobstertail for rapier combat for almost two years with no luck whatsoever. I am willing to modify it myself to make it legal. I obviously do want to pay $400 for such. I don't think $200-$300 should be unreasonable, however. My commission has been accepted by 3 different armorers (1 of whom has a very good reputation on this forum) but none have been able to deliver in anything close to the promised time frame or price, so I still do not have a helmet. So maybe you can understand my skepticism.

Norman · Post by **Norman** » Fri Aug 17, 2001 9:53 am

LOGOS
You'd have the same problem if you try and commision any helmet -- for heavy or light.

However, if you're willing to modify things yourself, for a light helmet you can look at the ready made Indo/Pakistani imports.
Check what Medieval Replicas has.
...I think Albion Armouries retails these things as well.

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Norman J. Finkelshteyn
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The Silk Road Designs Armoury - http://www.enteract.com/~silkroad
Jewish Warriors - http://www.geocities.com/jewishwarriors
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LOGOS · Post by **LOGOS** » Fri Aug 17, 2001 10:06 am

Norman,

The Indian/Pakistani lobstertails are just now coming back into the market. I have not seen any to know what they look like. Albion was 1 of the places that never delivered ...

Guy Dawkins · Post by **Guy Dawkins** » Fri Aug 17, 2001 10:07 am

LOGOS,
Has that Czech helm not arrived YET!!
I thought it had shipped already.

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Guy
(mka: David Valenta )

LOGOS · Post by **LOGOS** » Fri Aug 17, 2001 10:08 am

Norman,

How do I get into the Medieval Replicas website? Every time I try, I am prompted for a password. Is there some secret catalog there? Thanks.

Norman · Post by **Norman** » Fri Aug 17, 2001 10:11 am

There was no password last time I went to look.
I don't know.

Norman · Post by **Norman** » Fri Aug 17, 2001 10:14 am

Sorry --
Turns out
I actually meant Museum Replicas:
http://www.museumreplicas.com/home.htm

I know there is a business called "medieval replicas" - but I have no idea what they offer.

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Norman J. Finkelshteyn
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The Silk Road Designs Armoury - http://www.enteract.com/~silkroad
Jewish Warriors - http://www.geocities.com/jewishwarriors
The Red Kaganate - http://www.geocities.com/kaganate
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[This message has been edited by Norman (edited 08-17-2001).]