2 part about Armor .. Please help

WhiteWolf · Post by **WhiteWolf** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 3:24 pm

part 1 ..

Roman Armor .. I am lookign for a pattern or thought even on a Roman leather " skirt" the strips of leather used for thigh protection .. any ideas or thoughts ? or simply rivet leather strips to a belt ? 2" 3" wide ? any help appreciated ...

Part deux ... Cod Piece .. anyone have a pattern for a legal leather cod piece?

Help appreciated ..

thank you

Templar Bob/De Tyre · Post by **Templar Bob/De Tyre** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 3:29 pm

WhiteWolf wrote:part 1 ..

Roman Armor .. I am lookign for a pattern or thought even on a Roman leather " skirt" the strips of leather used for thigh protection .. any ideas or thoughts ? or simply rivet leather strips to a belt ? 2" 3" wide ? any help appreciated ...

Actually, this item wasn't a separate leather skirt.

This was an item called pterges (literally "tongues" in Greek), and were part of the linothorax, or under armour padding worn under the kit, or by itself. This item was made of many layers of linen, and proved reasonably effective against slashing. You would also find them on the upper arms of the linothorax.

WhiteWolf wrote:Part deux ... Cod Piece .. anyone have a pattern for a legal leather cod piece?

Help appreciated ..

thank you

I'm afraid you've stumped me on that one...

WhiteWolf · Post by **WhiteWolf** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 3:45 pm

hmmm... so .. for semi realistic SCA use .. I am makeing body armor .. Lorica Segmentata .. and thought the leather strips i have seen with roman pictures for upper leg protection ... any thoughts ? think i could use strips of leather rivetted to a belt under the segmentata ?

Templar Bob/De Tyre · Post by **Templar Bob/De Tyre** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 5:48 pm

WhiteWolf wrote:hmmm... so .. for semi realistic SCA use .. I am makeing body armor .. Lorica Segmentata .. and thought the leather strips i have seen with roman pictures for upper leg protection ... any thoughts ? think i could use strips of leather rivetted to a belt under the segmentata ?

If you look carefully at places like Trajan's Column (which shows Juleo-Claudian Roman soldiers), or on carvings of Imperial Roman grave stelae, they don't show Legionnaires wearing pterges with the Lorica Segmentata. You'd see more of this with those Roman officers (Tribune level or higher) who wore the Lorica Musculata, or muscled cuirass, or perhaps with soldiers wearing the Lorica Squamata, or scale shirt.

What I'd do is to wear rigid cuisses under the tunica, and greaves. Cloth-covered cuisses with pockets sewn in for rigid plates could do a fair imitation of [/i]feminalia[/i] knee-breeches, or you could wear something longer to hide the obviously anachronistic gear.

One place that might be of assistance to you is Legio XX. Give that a look, for an idea of what Legionnaires may have actually worn.

Another option is to talk to Owen--he is the Armour Archive's expert on on adapting Roman gear for SCA combat.

Marshal · Post by **Marshal** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:53 am

One of my old armour books ( Boutell? ) refers to the leather strips as 'lambrequins'...which is not what the dictionaries say the word means, but sounds Latinate. Can this have been the Roman word for them, or a derivative or it? Or more likely an author's invention?

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 12:41 pm

I found this:

http://www.harlequinleather.com/l-skirt-2.jpg

Any help?

Sextus Maximus · Post by **Sextus Maximus** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:08 pm

These are some of the better terges I have seen. I plan on making some similar to this for my armor.

http://www.scaarmor.com/SCAArmor/page0015.html

WhiteWolf · Post by **WhiteWolf** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:56 pm

Halberds does the model come withit ...

2 part about Armor .. Please help

2 part about Armor .. Please help

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