advice on making it

Armourkris · Post by **Armourkris** » Mon Jan 21, 2002 12:22 am

ok, firslty, IT, is not a scooter in this case, IT is this harness
http://www.angelfire.com/mt/tybolt/paterns/paterns.html

hopefully in the next few days my shop will be cleared out enough to use. so i'm gona start paterning as soon as i can.

her is what i'm thinking so far.

Helm:dont trust meself that much, not gona do it at this stage

Arms:Sinrics patern with apropriate modifications. is that an enclosed rebrace do ya think? and the spaulders look pretty simple, but any advice on attatchment?

Legs: again, sinrics legs, with modified cuise's.
would you say that is a fancy flair at the top of the main plate, or a big ass roll?

Gorget: already have a working patern for that one, pretty simple really.

Breastplate:a tweaked out globose breadtplate.

Fauld:not a clue, any advice at all is apreciated there

greaves: again, any advice is good, every patern and tutrial i've seen for shaped greaves involved welding.

as for fastening how well do spring pins hold up to sca combat? thats what the original suit was held shut with for the most part.

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Rainald · Post by **Rainald** » Mon Jan 21, 2002 3:27 am

Wow, looked at your site and got a serious case of deja vu when looking at your demi gauntlet pattern. Where did you get the idea for that since it's not based on any historical precedent?

Conrad the Mad · Post by **Conrad the Mad** » Mon Jan 21, 2002 8:18 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Tybolt:

Arms:Sinrics patern with apropriate modifications. is that an enclosed rebrace do ya think? and the spaulders look pretty simple, but any advice on attatchment?

>Yes your picture has an enclosed rebrace.
For attaching the spaulders run a strap to the gorget. Put the buckel on the gorget. I would suggest one front and back of the neck. Or you can run a strap around the opposite armpit, gun holster style.

Legs: again, sinrics legs, with modified cuise's.
would you say that is a fancy flair at the top of the main plate, or a big ass roll?
>Looks to me like a big flair then articulation at the top.

Fauld:not a clue, any advice at all is apreciated there
>Again go to sinrics main site, he has patterns for the breast and back with the faulds. (just no instructions yet but it is pretty straight forward.)

as for fastening how well do spring pins hold up to sca combat? thats what the original suit was held shut with for the most part.
>Havent tried spring pins yet, I use leater straps and buckles but go for it they should hold up.

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wcallen · Post by **wcallen** » Mon Jan 21, 2002 12:57 pm

This is a photograph of an armour of the same basic style. It is a little more decorated (lots of flutes and etching), but the overall lines and construction would be the same. This was the only one I had at work.....

It may help you see what is actually involved in making this harness - the details are almost the only thing that is hard.

[img]http://www.allenantiques.com/190.jpg[/img]

The shoulders are attached to the upper arms by means of turning collars. The upper arms are fully encased, and they do not open, the arm is slid though the bracelet upper. The forarms (lower cannon of the vambrace) would have been held closed by a spring pin. Sometimes a little later in the century they added a hook through the pin when they were paranoid about the pieces not opening.

The breastplate is formed very deeply with a straight upper edge. The arms are bordered by separate (moveable) gussets. The upper edge and the arms have very large rolls that are rolled 'in' not 'out'. The fauld is suspended from a separate waist lame.

At this time the cuises were normally heavly shaped and the upper edge is at least bordered by a very aggressive roll, usually also with an additional plate with another large roll.

The gauntlets in this photograph are atypical. They rotate on the vambraces. A short cuff is more normal.

I hope that this picture helps to clarify some of the details.

Wade

Armourkris · Post by **Armourkris** » Mon Jan 21, 2002 1:26 pm

rainald, the demi is a simplified version of your patern, there should be a credit to you somewhere in that mess of a site. i could swear i put one in there.

wcallen, thanks a whole bunch for that photo, i've had a devil of a time finding pics of pieces similar to this suite, that side view is a BIG help. i hadent been able to find anythinng from the side so i had had to eyeball out a sideview the old fashioned way, i was a lot closer than i thought i'd be.
and conrad, do you have a link to sinrics site? i didnt see one when i looked at the paterns, though i di have a knack for missing them.

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Pathfinder · Post by **Pathfinder** » Mon Jan 21, 2002 5:53 pm

For the breastplate and faulds check out Dweezle's site,he has a journal of how he made his which is very close to what you want.

http://members.tripod.com/~mailmaker/armorlog.html

And heres one to Sinrics
http://www.eskimo.com/~cwn/

[This message has been edited by Pathfinder (edited 01-21-2002).]

Rainald · Post by **Rainald** » Tue Jan 22, 2002 4:04 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Tybolt:
...rainald, the demi is a simplified version of your patern, there should be a credit to you somewhere in that mess of a site...
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Ya, thats kinda what I was thinking.