Authentic or not?

Alcyoneus · Post by **Alcyoneus** » Thu Jan 31, 2002 2:22 am

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1508919855

chef de chambre · Post by **chef de chambre** » Thu Jan 31, 2002 6:28 am

Can't tell from the limited pictures provided. That it apparently has a working life repair is a point in it's favour. Obviously if it is, it is an example that has been heavily tinkered with - like most pieces of this age in it's lifetime - in example, the mitten inside the thing.

This is a piece that is getting toward "worthwhile to fake" territory. I'd ask someone much more expert than I before I bought it.

olafr · Post by **olafr** » Thu Jan 31, 2002 7:37 am

I think its a fake or reproduktion. If you use someting so that you have to repair the gauntlet, the glove should have ben much more worn, but the glove seems completley new, like it is replaced.
It should have ben used once ore twice after the repair, why spend money on repair the gountlet and exchange the glove but not use it.

Otto von Teich · Post by **Otto von Teich** » Thu Jan 31, 2002 8:32 am

Well Olaf, He says the glove and leathers are modern replacements. I cant tell for sure if its real or not.I would need to see some good close ups of the interior of the plates, or much better yet, see it in person. ...Otto

Alexi · Post by **Alexi** » Thu Jan 31, 2002 9:11 am

I personly would say if it is real it would probably be 17th not 16th tilting, but I would say it is probably 19th century. The reason I believe it to be 19th is there is no real documentation. And it realy is not a museum piece, museum pieces tend to be a lot nicer or have an interesting feature.

sebastian · Post by **sebastian** » Thu Jan 31, 2002 1:58 pm

If you pull up the cuff and supersize it, there are some blatant errors in the cutting of the bell. Also, I'm not really up to speed on welding methods for period, but doesnt the bell look like its been spot welded?

PaulyP · Post by **PaulyP** » Thu Jan 31, 2002 2:26 pm

Sebastian-
This was my biggest complaint. At first I thought the cuff had been welded too, but upon closer inspection, it appears that it was riveted with two rivets and then the rivets were ground flush with the cuff. I don't know if this was period construction method or not. Just my two cents.

Alcyoneus · Post by **Alcyoneus** » Thu Jan 31, 2002 5:00 pm

Yes, in period, they did on occasion use flush rivets.

wcallen · Post by **wcallen** » Thu Jan 31, 2002 9:45 pm

Given the pictures provided, we can't tell much. The cuff seems to be the best part of it from the pictures we have. This kind of joint in the cuff is normal on a 16th dentury gauntlet. The plate(s) are curved around and overlapped. The seam(s) are overlapped and rivetted. The rivets are countersunk so that they can be ground or filed flush and the plates are then hammered so that the outer surfaces are flush. If you are very careful with the stake placement when you do the offset of the inner plate you can almost make the seam disapear.

The rest of the gauntlet, on the other hand, is very suspicious. Just for curiosity I have asked for some more pictures. If I get them I will have more to say.....

Wade

(obviously, just my opinions...)

The Lost Scott · Post by **The Lost Scott** » Fri Feb 01, 2002 9:02 am

I'm at work so I can't look at it right now but if it is the same one as posted before (seller location Oklahoma City) I have contacted the seller about examining the piece in person. The seller replyied and said he is currently on jury duty so I think it is time to bug him again.
So if I do get to examine it what should I do?
(Take lots of pictures, mesure it, weigh it ect..)

LS