English? who wants to see that?

Patrick Thaden · Post by **Patrick Thaden** » Tue May 16, 2006 2:35 am

couple new pics, yes the knees are crooked like this

, seems they are more slimlined on the inner knee than the outer knee, thought I'd give this a try, they do need some tweaking still but it'll come together. I guess a lot of people are wondering about the tedious boring no one cares about finishing process I go through....I guess I can click a few pics of how that goes, really it's nothing special......
I'll get to that after the fitting and before the heattreating, or atleast the rough grind in before the heattreating.
oh, here are the pictures of the knees so far
http://www.thadenarmory.com/customers/c ... G_0927.jpg
http://www.thadenarmory.com/customers/c ... G_0925.jpg
http://www.thadenarmory.com/customers/c ... G_0926.jpg

white mountain armoury · Tue May 16, 2006 7:55 am

Looking sweet as always

Thomas H · Post by **Thomas H** » Tue May 16, 2006 11:24 am

S'ok

nah, seriously, it's amazing stuff!!!

lorenzo2 · Post by **lorenzo2** » Tue May 16, 2006 5:07 pm

Could there be a functional reason for the knees to be assymetrical?

MattB · Post by **MattB** » Wed May 17, 2006 8:07 am

Post deleted due to me smacking my own forhead and going duh, i'm mad! must get caffiene!

Jan van Nyenrode · Post by **Jan van Nyenrode** » Tue May 23, 2006 8:17 am

BumpedieBump

Cheers

Max

Kase Villand · Post by **Kase Villand** » Tue May 23, 2006 12:08 pm

http://www.thadenarmory.com/customers/c ... G_0926.jpg

Again, the AA peanut gallery finds itself looking at these photos so much, we begin to hyper-analyze the man's workspace... You know, it won't be long before he just puts a grey sheet behind his pieces before photographing them.

Anyway, since you didn't do that on this particular picture, I noticed the picture in the background of what looks like a side-shot of a knee. The wing looks a lot like the italian rig from "making of a suit in pictures" thread. It almost looks like it has THREE lames below, and two above. Is this right? What suit is that, and where can we get more pics of that leg harness?

My son is 1 week old now, so it'll be a while before I have time to make armor myself... I've been getting my hammering-fixes by looking at photos of other people's work.

It's kind of like giving a starving dog a rubber bone. Oh well... the baby is awfully cute, and he gets my mind off of it.

Thanks for the info!

Kase

Josh W · Post by **Josh W** » Tue May 23, 2006 2:11 pm

I think that's a side-view photo of the Warwick effigy's knee.

Thomas H · Post by **Thomas H** » Tue May 23, 2006 2:15 pm

Yup, that's what i was going to say. The stepped fan is a good indicator.

btmcrae · Post by **btmcrae** » Wed May 24, 2006 4:35 am

Yep, it is the Warwick effigy. I haven't gone on an active hunt for many pictures of it yet, but from the few I have seen this effigy has an amzing amount of detail right down to the strapping and rivets.

Sean Powell · Post by **Sean Powell** » Wed May 24, 2006 6:09 am

lorenzo2 wrote:Could there be a functional reason for the knees to be assymetrical?

Plenty of functional reason. The human tibia is not inline with the femur. It's not even in line with the theoretical axis between center of knee and hip socket. It's typicly 3 degrees out but on some beople can be much higher (mine included). In a good tight fitting leg harness there is a 'slight' tendency for the leg armor to roll inward as you bend your leg. That usually isn't an issue in SCA sized armor (Med, Large or X-Large) but in a custom fitted piece it might be worth doing.

Or at least I think so.
Sean

Ambrogio · Post by **Ambrogio** » Tue May 30, 2006 6:01 am

Aargh, I can't stand the wait!!!
Please Patrick, don't do this to me, I need the fix!
I tried laundry detergent and small rocks but it won't do it for me, please, gimme just one pic, a small blurry one.. anything.. Please!!

Patrick Thaden · Post by **Patrick Thaden** » Tue May 30, 2006 7:57 am

Sorry no pics yet, I've got till friday to put a kitchen and bathroom back together and that includes installing fixtures hooking up water heater, stove countertops and flooring as well as repairing a living room floor and resealing it so I have a place to live

, If we get moved in on time by this Saturday as were supposed to new pics will come Monday or Tuesday and then you should be getting atleast an every other day fix till July when I when I have to have all this ready for a fitting

......Till then......

Kenwrec Wulfe · Post by **Kenwrec Wulfe** » Tue May 30, 2006 8:06 am

Patrick Thaden wrote:Sorry no pics yet, I've got till friday to put a kitchen and bathroom back together and that includes installing fixtures hooking up water heater, stove countertops and flooring as well as repairing a living room floor and resealing it so I have a place to live , If we get moved in on time by this Saturday as were supposed to new pics will come Monday or Tuesday and then you should be getting atleast an every other day fix till July when I when I have to have all this ready for a fitting ......Till then......

I so know how you feel! Spent the long weekend redoing electrical in my house. completely re-ran one bedroom, ran a new line for a fan in the livingroom and a new line for a light in the dining room. Also installed a couple new cabinets in the kitchen. Just a small piece of the big puzzle

I hope all of your home projects went as surprisingly well as did mine this past weekend!

Ambrogio · Post by **Ambrogio** » Tue May 30, 2006 9:01 am

I hope everything works like a charm!
That Mountain Dew seems to be wickedly strong stuff considering your neverending energy!!
I hope you find some time to spend just with the family!
Take care! And I don't mind the wait, well a little perhaps..
I'll go build something myself..... Hm, gauntlets..

Alcyoneus · Post by **Alcyoneus** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:31 am

Sean Powell wrote:
lorenzo2 wrote:Could there be a functional reason for the knees to be assymetrical?
Plenty of functional reason. The human tibia is not inline with the femur. It's not even in line with the theoretical axis between center of knee and hip socket. It's typicly 3 degrees out but on some beople can be much higher (mine included). In a good tight fitting leg harness there is a 'slight' tendency for the leg armor to roll inward as you bend your leg. That usually isn't an issue in SCA sized armor (Med, Large or X-Large) but in a custom fitted piece it might be worth doing.

Or at least I think so.
Sean

There are some armors where this is apparent. The best thing to look at is a greave that has no other parts attached. The bones on the inside and outside of the ankle are not parallel with the floor, and neither is the top of the calf. So, look in some of the catalogs (Wallace Collection?) and you will see this.

Patton Lives · Post by **Patton Lives** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 1:21 pm

MattB · Post by **MattB** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 6:38 am

How can Patrick do this to us he reals us in then cuts us off, leaving a gaping armour porn hole in our lives, sob sob! (hmm if you take armour out of that sentence it just sounds nasty! hehe)

Patton Lives · Post by **Patton Lives** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 6:11 pm

Patrick,

If its at all possible, would you mind posting a picture of the stake you use for creasing your couters? Also, you have a massive round T stake in your "making of a suit in pictures" is that a really thick piece of bar stock or maybe some sort of automobile part welded to a stake? thanks in advance

Patrick Thaden · Post by **Patrick Thaden** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:11 pm

Hey, just barely managed to get dialup working and we still haven't quite finished with the move. We won't be back with DSL till the 20th of this month. I'll try and upload some pictures this week but who knows how that will go. Patrick

Patrick Thaden · Post by **Patrick Thaden** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:03 am

Here are a couple new pictures, I will have more tonight

Ambrogio · Post by **Ambrogio** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:37 pm

Phew, now I can breathe again! Thank you!

So, how did it go? Have you finished moving? Is the heater in place? Do you have a floor? Is the family happy?
I hope you are well, and I am very thankful for the truckload of pictures you have given us, I just wish I could gather up the same speed as you.. Seems like I'm moving in svamp or quicksand compared to you...

InfinitySteel · Post by **InfinitySteel** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:38 pm

Sean Powell wrote:
lorenzo2 wrote:Could there be a functional reason for the knees to be assymetrical?
Plenty of functional reason. The human tibia is not inline with the femur. It's not even in line with the theoretical axis between center of knee and hip socket. It's typicly 3 degrees out but on some beople can be much higher (mine included). In a good tight fitting leg harness there is a 'slight' tendency for the leg armor to roll inward as you bend your leg. That usually isn't an issue in SCA sized armor (Med, Large or X-Large) but in a custom fitted piece it might be worth doing.

Or at least I think so.
Sean

Yes,people tend to be a bit knock kneed. In loose fitting sca rigs this is not an issue. But when you begin to go down to almost skin tightness-a lot of provision must be made in adjusting the articulation and cops.

Nice work Patrick,I wish I could form stainless steel the way you do mild and spring,but that many heats would ruin the metal-so I am stuck with pressing and welding instead.

Jehan de Pelham · Post by **Jehan de Pelham** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:10 pm

Graham Turner's rig has knees like these. Quite striking actually.

Patrick, as always, super nice.

John
Jehan de Pelham, esquire and servant of Sir Vitus
www.mron.org

Ideval · Post by **Ideval** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:08 pm

Yes, Patrick!
Thank you once again.
These Threads are exquisite!

IdÃƒÂ«val

Konstantin the Red · Post by **Konstantin the Red** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 12:14 am

OT: Nice to see Max and Id popping up again! Missed you guys!

Patrick Thaden · Post by **Patrick Thaden** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:40 pm

more to come
Ambrogio, yes the move went well enough. floors are mostly back together, one hole in the back room we aren't using yet. I hope to have that room finished out soon so we arent as cramped as we are now. All in time I guess.

chef de chambre · Post by **chef de chambre** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 4:31 am

Not really, Infinity Steel.

People don't 'tend to be knock knee'd' - this implies a physical deformity or birth defect. The human body is naturally formed this way, and it is by no means a defect. The armourers who are great, past and present accomodate the natural human form - it is merely one more detail that sets them apart from the herd, and displays for all their eye and tallent.

Patrick Thaden · Post by **Patrick Thaden** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:49 am

http://www.thadenarmory.com/customers/c ... G_1195.jpg
more later

lorenzo2 · Post by **lorenzo2** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:17 am

MMMM nice fluting

Those cuisses are going to be very strong. Pat; what thickness of steel did you go with on them?

Jan van Nyenrode · Post by **Jan van Nyenrode** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:35 am

Hey Konstantin,

Not sure if you mean me. But I'm usually around. I just don't log on to often to post something because I don't feel I have anything to add.

Sorry Patrick for the Off-Topic comment. This is another brilliant thread. I am still looking at the last one for inspiration

Cheers

Max

AB Hammer · Post by **AB Hammer** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:00 pm

Patrick Thaden

The top of your quesses. Do you have a refference or is that an interpretation? I havn't found that view before, and am hopoing you have the refference.

Thanks

Patrick Thaden · Post by **Patrick Thaden** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 1:26 pm

AB, no reference on this suit in particular unfortunatly. I have a shot even looking up his fauld and you can't see clearly enough to tell what is going on. These legs are both a bit wierd in that they are even constructed differenly on the effigy as well as the flutes and plates aren't spaced the same. The Swabish Gmund suit is displayed with a set of legs in the Mantova book and I thought how they were constructed might work with these and keep the look pretty close, They actually have to upper plates on slots rather than the one I've done but it's also shown with a peak in the center and the edges rolled up to it. So, that's what you get.

. I should have a few more pics tonight, after lunch I'll be working the knees in and hopefully starting greaves today. Patrick

Patrick Thaden · Post by **Patrick Thaden** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:47 pm

couple more pics, I didn't get as much done as I hoped, but hey, you have to set goals. People calling, dropping in, wife wanting shelves in the kitchen so we can unbox stuff.......
got started on one of the knees.....not even a very good start yet.....
oh, and and inside shot of one of the legs minus the knee

lorenzo2 · Post by **lorenzo2** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:59 am

Thanks for the inside shots! It really helps us see which areas were worked hot and which cold.

English? who wants to see that?

Gratitude