English? who wants to see that?

RalphS · Post by **RalphS** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:11 pm

lorenzo2 wrote:Got to love the way the waist on that breast wasps in. The client must be in pretty good shape.

Soft tissue can be very compressible without becoming uncomfortable.

Patrick Thaden · Post by **Patrick Thaden** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:12 am

another pic, started putting in the breast flutes, I'll have those done up as well as the flutes down the fauld and HOPEFULLY get started on the pauldrons. Patrick

belmtho · Post by **belmtho** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:54 am

wow looking good!
what is the coppery thing on the table?

VRIN · Post by **VRIN** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:58 am

I will bet its not armour

I want to see all this other stuff you make in between the armour projects. Like the copper Baptismal bowl, church crosses etc. OK its not armour, but does it get posted anywhere? I know I would like to see it

Patrick Thaden · Post by **Patrick Thaden** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:19 pm

Vrin, I do have pics on my computer and some online. I'll figure a place to put them and put a link or something
Belmtho, those are a couple of steel and copper speak-easies I'm doing for a ladies house. Patrick

Ugo · Post by **Ugo** » Sat Apr 15, 2006 12:14 am

Yeah, give 'em!!!!!

(What eez a speek-eesie?)

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:00 am

Man that is great!

Good work!

VRIN · Post by **VRIN** » Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:48 am

Ugo
They are those old prohibition era bars and these things I bet are that little window in the bars door the bouncers open up and say somthing cliche like "whats da passwoid"

Denomyar · Post by **Denomyar** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 12:12 am

Just couldn't bear to see this thread fall to the second page.
Beautiful fluting.

Raymond

Gerhard von Liebau · Post by **Gerhard von Liebau** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 12:38 am

What is the client going to use the suit for? Living history, jousting, SCA or display? Can't wait to see more progress pictures!

-Gerhard-

Patrick Thaden · Post by **Patrick Thaden** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 10:45 pm

Gerhard, I think he wants it for multi use, joust and foot combat, not sure if it'll be SCA or another group.

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:05 pm

English? who wants to see that?

We do.....

Thanks for the pics....

Hal

Ps: A-Bob.... do you get it hot and pound it to where you want it?

Murdock · Post by **Murdock** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 12:55 am

Ya know normal guys look at porn on the internet

we get excited by this

MAN WE ROCK!!!!!

RenJunkie · Post by **RenJunkie** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:31 am

Does that mean we're sick? Or does it mean all the normal people are? lol

Christopher

MattB · Post by **MattB** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 4:57 am

Murdock wrote:Ya know normal guys look at porn on the internet

we get excited by this

Urgh!!! Dude don't ever come near me when i'm in armour thats just disturbing!

And make sure you wipe your keyboard clean!

Keep up the good work Patrick.

Kase Villand · Post by **Kase Villand** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:35 pm

Awesome work so far, Patrick! Thanks again for the thread!

One thing I've noticed about this thread and the earlier one you made for the Italian suit is that we see pictures of stuff somewhat roughed into shape, and the next time we see them they're nice and shiny. How much planishing do you do? Obviously it's not a very sexy step to photograph, but the pics in these threads could lead us to thing you just rough stuff out, maybe bouge it a little and then grind the snot out of it.

Like I said, I'm grateful to have these pics at all... just wondering how much time you spend planishing. I'm pretty new at metal-pounding, so it takes me about as much time to planish a piece as it does to rough it out.

Lookin forward to seeing how this progresses!

Kase

Brian Belding · Post by **Brian Belding** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:49 pm

Ahh. Those are some pauldrons i like. I, for some reason, don't like the look of pauldrons that the tips overlap. its strikes me as bad measuring sometimes...

but these, ahh, very nice Patrick

chef de chambre · Post by **chef de chambre** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:55 pm

Maeglin Oronar wrote:Ahh. Those are some pauldrons i like. I, for some reason, don't like the look of pauldrons that the tips overlap. its strikes me as bad measuring sometimes...

but these, ahh, very nice Patrick

The ovelapping pauldrons ware an advanced development, that served two purposes.

1. they covered the rear, which was vulnerable in the middle of a cavalry melee.

2. the longer wing to the pauldron prevents the pauldron edge catching in the armhole after you raise your hand to strike with sword or mace, and swing it down.

If this suit (the effigy) were made post 1450, the pauldrons would have overlapped - like they do in the Schwabish-Gumund harness. It is practical, not just fashion for the later pauldrons to have the wings.

VRIN · Post by **VRIN** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:23 pm

Just curious but has anyone seen pauldrons like these work for SCA heavy combat? Do they allow across the body type blows to be thrown, or is their focus purely lance and sword cavalry?

One thing I wanted to see with "making-of a suit in pictures" suit was how the pauldron interacted with the rest of the breastplate and gorget if a person (armoured) squarely faced you and pointed at your right shoulder with their right hand. It seemed it would be the same as the toe touching image but then again it might be diffrent while standing.

chef de chambre · Post by **chef de chambre** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:31 am

VRIN wrote:Just curious but has anyone seen pauldrons like these work for SCA heavy combat? Do they allow across the body type blows to be thrown, or is their focus purely lance and sword cavalry?

One thing I wanted to see with "making-of a suit in pictures" suit was how the pauldron interacted with the rest of the breastplate and gorget if a person (armoured) squarely faced you and pointed at your right shoulder with their right hand. It seemed it would be the same as the toe touching image but then again it might be diffrent while standing.

If they are good copies of the real thing, they will not. They are designed principly for a mounted horseman to use a lance and saddle weapon, or a dismounted one to use a pollaxe two handed.

Josh W · Post by **Josh W** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 5:02 am

chef de chambre wrote:If they are good copies of the real thing, they will not.

I really hate disagreeing with you, Bob, but I have to dispute this. There's no reason you shouldn't be able to move your arms 'cross body' in such pauldrons.

[img]http://josh.mediumaevum.com/library%201%20088.jpg[/img]

While I doubt mine are a perfect copy, they are at least put together correctly, and I have had no trouble using them in SCA (or any other) combat in the two-and-a-half years I've owned them. The only time they catch on the cuirass' armhole-rim is when I do a cartwheel.

EDIT: Yeah, I know my arms aren't reaching across my body in the photo; it's the only photo I've got of my arms actually moving in my pauldrons. But I swear that I have no trouble patting my left shoulder with my right arm and vice-versa.

Juhani · Post by **Juhani** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:18 am

It's always so nice to see a master at work.. I wonder what kind of gauntlets there will possibly be with this suit, as none are pictured in the effigy?

VRIN · Post by **VRIN** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:22 am

Josh-

Thanks for posting that image. You have a beautiful harness! Thats just the kind of dynamic sort of thing I want to see. It suggests that it can be done.
I haven't figured the formula for getting larger over the shoulder pauldrons to move naturally. I looked over Patricks last suit and saw that his last set had a hard connection in back at the lames and a lapped leather connection at the front... could it be that easy???

Patrick-
I hope we can get some pics of the inner workings of these pauldrons when they get to that phase. Thanks again for posting the process pics!!!

Patrick Thaden · Post by **Patrick Thaden** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:48 am

and more pointy now

needs a little tweaking and to get pulled in a little more. I shall try and remember to take pics of the inside of the pauldrons... I think I did on the last set though?

Josh W · Post by **Josh W** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:49 am

Vrin, I recommend that you purchase Osprey's "English Medieval Knight 1400-1500." There are one or two good inside photos of similar pauldrons in there.

lorenzo2 · Post by **lorenzo2** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 10:14 am

I sense the mysteries of stretching the Italian fans are about to be uncovered

Or at least some of them

Thanks Pat!

Tailoress · Post by **Tailoress** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 10:36 am

And here we see the *entire* reason why Josh refuses to do 14thc:

Note the smooth lines... the manly arch of the pauldrons... the wasp waist... the concentric rings protecting the tender small of his back.... aaaahhh, fifteenth century back armour, let Josh count the ways he loves thee...

Okay, sorry Patrick for hijacking this thread, but I just can't resist a chance to tease Josh.

-Tasha

VRIN · Post by **VRIN** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:09 am

Patrick you did take pics, I found them re-reading the making of thread last night the articulation was not what I expected. But still edifying. Will these pauldrons be simliarly articulated?

Josh W · Post by **Josh W** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:12 pm

Tasha McG wrote:And here we see the *entire* reason why Josh refuses to do 14thc:

http://www.cottesimple.com/misc/15thc_back_pr0n.jpg

Note the smooth lines... the manly arch of the pauldrons... the wasp waist... the concentric rings protecting the tender small of his back.... aaaahhh, fifteenth century back armour, let Josh count the ways he loves thee...

Okay, sorry Patrick for hijacking this thread, but I just can't resist a chance to tease Josh.

-Tasha

Am I missing something? Is something wrong with my back?

Naming the pic "15thc_back_pr0n" is funny.

My wife read what you wrote and says that you've got me pegged, I'm afraid. 15th century Italian backplates do indeed make me go all tingly in the pants.

Yeah, I guess I sort of hijacked this thread, too. Not too badly, though; after all, my backplate is Patrick's work, too...

white mountain armoury · Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:48 pm

No Josh, i dont think she is saying something is wrong with your back, likely the opposite, the nice wasp waisted profile.

Tailoress · Post by **Tailoress** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:50 pm

Of course I'm not saying anything is wrong with your back! It looks darn-tootin' good! I'm just referencing your dogged dislike of the questionable back defense of the 14thc.

-Tasha

Josh W · Post by **Josh W** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 4:41 pm

Oh, okay. Fair enough.

Thank you for the compliments.

RalphS · Post by **RalphS** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 5:44 pm

A nicely curved back can be very sexy indeed!

Oh well, back to what this thread really is about...

RenJunkie · Post by **RenJunkie** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 5:46 pm

If I didn't know better, Ralph, I'd say you were fond of her. erm, I mean it...the cuirass.....lol

Christopher

Brother Justin · Post by **Brother Justin** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:23 pm

RalphS wrote:A nicely curved back can be very sexy indeed!

Oh well, back to what this thread really is about...

Wow! Are there any pictures of the rest of the woman's armor?

-J