Need a better way to strap my helm

Xanthier · Post by **Xanthier** » Thu Oct 03, 2002 12:04 pm

Any suggestions?

Currently I'm using two straps. One under the chin and one across (to keep my face from getting mashed into my grill.

The helm is H9 on Adam Berry's site
http://www.thegreenman.net/wma/wmahelms.htm

Trying to find something comfortable plus something I can get into and out of relatively easily between battles.

I was thinking about just taking an Adam's football chin strap and making it out of that but I want to try and avoid glaring white plastic.

Any suggestions/advice?

Arland · Post by **Arland** » Thu Oct 03, 2002 12:33 pm

I always use the nylon/cotton chin straps from a miltary kevlar helmet. They go in easy, they adjust and are comfortable. Best of all they are easy to replace. You'll see them in a military surplus store for about $6 in od green.

mrks · Post by **mrks** » Thu Oct 03, 2002 12:54 pm

hi

it looks better to cut a chin cup out of leather. football cups also slip easier than a leather cup.

for more info go here: http://www.armourarchive.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/008180.html

mrks
squire to sir aveloc
tiarmour.com

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schreiber · Post by **schreiber** » Thu Oct 03, 2002 12:58 pm

I swear by the two strap arrangement.

I rivet two straps of leather (or whatever) on the sides of my mouth so that one goes under, one across. Then I anchor the ends of the straps to specific points on the helm. The under strap gets anchored at the temples, and the across strap gets anchored at the ear lobes.

Of course, I'm having a problem with the new helm, but that's because I don't want to drill any holes in my purty new Windrose sallet.

HELMUT

white mountain armoury · Thu Oct 03, 2002 1:08 pm

I strap this helm using a leather chin cup, leather thongs pass through 2 swivel loops behind the ear, down the cheek through 2 more and out through 2 small holes in the cheek near the chin where i tie it in a bow, it makes it look like the cheeks are tied shut.
Muttman who posts here can comment, we put the same arrangement in his spang

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Richard de Scolay · Post by **Richard de Scolay** » Thu Oct 03, 2002 1:08 pm

Helmut - "I rivet two straps of leather (or whatever) on the sides of my mouth..."

That's gotta hurt...

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muttman · Post by **muttman** » Thu Oct 03, 2002 1:59 pm

"Muttman who posts here can comment, we put the same arrangement in his spang"

Yup, thats more or less what Adam put in my hat. It works very well and even being a very low profile hat with little clearance between my nose and the grill, I have never had a problem even with rough face thrusts.
John

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(mental note-pillage THEN burn)

Arland · Post by **Arland** » Thu Oct 03, 2002 2:51 pm

I've seen leather that "looked" good blow out from an excessive spear shot to the face. I've never had or seen that happen with nylon one.

freiman the minstrel · Thu Oct 03, 2002 3:47 pm

Perhaps the best advice I ever got on fighting was how I could make a chinstrap.

It has three simple pieces. I have a pair of very short straps attached behind the ears, they end in sheilded (covered by a leather strap) buckles about 3/8 in wide.

In the middle, I have the chin piece. the chin piece is a strap arrangement that kind of looks like a pair of "Y"s on top of one another. they are fastened so that they cup my chin. they are open in the middle.

I have fought for about eight years since I learned this. One time, a guy named Moose (Now Earl Radu) hit me so hard on the faceplate with a "broken glaive" that my kidneys hurt for a week. The chinstrap held. One other time, a guy named Corwyn laid my head over so hard it stayed that way for three days. The chinstrap held.

Never completely undo the buckles, just move them near the last hole. When you put the helm on, reach in a tighten up the buckles.

Arland · Post by **Arland** » Thu Oct 03, 2002 3:53 pm

There was this one time a guy who went by the name of Duke Cain Redfeather (though I do believe that Friemen the Minstrel) thrusted me with my own greatsword to the head. Broke the chin strap (of leather) and split my nose open.

This was behind my house in Vogelweh Germany.

Did Giles ever get ahold of you?

Xanthier · Post by **Xanthier** » Fri Oct 04, 2002 10:01 am

Thanks for the suggestions.

I'll be taking a look at all of them..

I gotta go to army surplus this weekend anyway (need a new armour bag) so I'll also look ionto their straps.

Samuel · Post by **Samuel** » Fri Oct 04, 2002 2:31 pm

Second on the army kevlar chin strap. IMO if the army uses these to keep a fiberglass helm on a mans head wihle shit is blowing up all around IM game for it on my SCA helm.

the tensile strength on these things is high enough your head would be torn from your neck before the strap broke where you anchored to the ground and pulled up by a crane... John q super duke and his spear o doom wont be taking that helm off anytime soon with bringing its contents with it.

Thorvold · Post by **Thorvold** » Fri Oct 04, 2002 4:14 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Samuel:
the tensile strength on these things is high enough your head would be torn from your neck before the strap broke where you anchored to the ground and pulled up by a crane... </font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now, THERE is a happy thought

Thorv

freiman the minstrel · Sun Oct 06, 2002 7:37 pm

"There was this one time a guy who went by the name of Duke Cain Redfeather (though I do believe that Friemen the Minstrel) thrusted me with my own greatsword to the head. Broke the chin strap (of leather) and split my nose open.
This was behind my house in Vogelweh Germany.

Did Giles ever get ahold of you?"

OH MY GOSH! these people will believe that I was actually impersonating a duke, rather than asking people to e-mail my houshold saying I was!

I'm really sorry about the nose. And yes, his majesty got a hold of me.

Arland · Post by **Arland** » Mon Oct 07, 2002 9:47 am

LOL

I didn't mean to get you in trouble Freiman. I just remember all the fun you used to have doing that when we met.

No worries about an armor bite or failed armor on my part. It just showed me that I needed to fix my helm a bit.

Are you ever goint to come to Estrella Wars?

freiman the minstrel · Mon Oct 07, 2002 10:03 am

sorry I probably wont make it to estrella, It falls during th school year, and that makes it really hard.

On the subject of helmet straps, what did they do in Period? I have seen lots of helmets in Museums, but I can't recall ever seeing a strap. Even if I do find one, I don't think I will see four hundred year old straps, but rather ten year old "restoration".

I don't feel like I will be changing the way I strap the helm, but It Bugs Me that I don't know.