Are they legal, specifically in the Midrealm?
Has anyone made one, and do you have pictures? How well do they work in combat?Any input and intuctional help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Garreth
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If you mean a simple leather liner, with no padding, I cannot see how this would be SCA legal or even desireable. Unless it were worn over a very well padded coif.
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I am looking to do an un-padded liner for the top of the Valsgarde 6 helm, to avoid seeing ugly closed cell foam through the basket work top of the helm. I plan on padding it from the brow band down with 1/2 foam, I just don't want to see it on the top. If the liner is contructed correctly, and is made of touch enough leather, I think it should work. I think the leather would also need to be treated to make it waterproof. I am unsure on the pattern and method of construction and attachment, and what weight and type of leather to use.
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Garreth,
I just have to step in here & say that I hate you! Of course, my ire could be mitigated if you were to make that helm for >>me<<, if only out of pity that my own helm was stolen last summer. Check your inbox for my measurements.
Seriously, I really hope you post the pattern once you get it worked out. How heavy comparatively do you think it'll be in 12 gauge (or were you gonna try 14)?
On the topic at hand, however why not the best of both worlds? The liner that I had on my aformentioned helm was a >>padded<< suspension which worked so well I had trouble feeling headshots. The only blue foam was a single layer 1 1/2" wide adjustable around the browline, covered in cloth.
I've evangelized its virtues before, but basically it was your standard four panel suspension as shown in Brian Price's book. However, that example, & most I've seen have only a thin quilting. I sewed a seam down the middle of mine & stuffed it tight, like a gambeson. I did the shell with wool, & the stuffing was twisted cotton rags pressed in with a pencil. It was about 3/4" thick, & stiff so that it had a definite spring to it. It looked like a jester's cap before I laced it in.
I made it a little short, though, & had to attach the above brow band, which I then laced to the leather browstrip on the inside of the helm. A snug fit: I didn't really have room to do a gamboised browband, anyway. It was so snug that the first couple times I wore it, I used no padding on the drape or sides. I did add a litle sheepskin later, but no foam.
There's no reason you couldn't do the outer side of the shell in leather, with cloth sewn to it. A little harder to gamboise maybe, but don't leave too much pocket. The cloth should lay flat on the leather before you stuff. Might be better than cloth on both sides, from a protective standpoint.
It would be a shame to ruin a helm like yours with blue foam. There's no reason, when a properly built padded suspension will keep you safer, cooler (wool wicks sweat, a cloth covered browband keep it outta your eyes), & more period.
I just have to step in here & say that I hate you! Of course, my ire could be mitigated if you were to make that helm for >>me<<, if only out of pity that my own helm was stolen last summer. Check your inbox for my measurements.
Seriously, I really hope you post the pattern once you get it worked out. How heavy comparatively do you think it'll be in 12 gauge (or were you gonna try 14)?
On the topic at hand, however why not the best of both worlds? The liner that I had on my aformentioned helm was a >>padded<< suspension which worked so well I had trouble feeling headshots. The only blue foam was a single layer 1 1/2" wide adjustable around the browline, covered in cloth.
I've evangelized its virtues before, but basically it was your standard four panel suspension as shown in Brian Price's book. However, that example, & most I've seen have only a thin quilting. I sewed a seam down the middle of mine & stuffed it tight, like a gambeson. I did the shell with wool, & the stuffing was twisted cotton rags pressed in with a pencil. It was about 3/4" thick, & stiff so that it had a definite spring to it. It looked like a jester's cap before I laced it in.
I made it a little short, though, & had to attach the above brow band, which I then laced to the leather browstrip on the inside of the helm. A snug fit: I didn't really have room to do a gamboised browband, anyway. It was so snug that the first couple times I wore it, I used no padding on the drape or sides. I did add a litle sheepskin later, but no foam.
There's no reason you couldn't do the outer side of the shell in leather, with cloth sewn to it. A little harder to gamboise maybe, but don't leave too much pocket. The cloth should lay flat on the leather before you stuff. Might be better than cloth on both sides, from a protective standpoint.
It would be a shame to ruin a helm like yours with blue foam. There's no reason, when a properly built padded suspension will keep you safer, cooler (wool wicks sweat, a cloth covered browband keep it outta your eyes), & more period.