Riveted/solid progress pic.

Ant · Post by **Ant** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:52 am

Hello again. The rivet rings are from wholesale armor & the punched are from The Ring Lord. Tis will replace my butted byrnie. Abou 70% done.[img][img]http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg106/riveter-1369/HPIM0116.jpg[/img].[/img]

Steve S. · Post by **Steve S.** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:19 am

Looking great!

Steve

Benedek · Post by **Benedek** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:20 am

WOW!!!!!

It looks great.

David Blackmane · Post by **David Blackmane** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:38 am

Again, another useless piece of scrap that must be sent to me for proper disposal after completion......

Seriously, nice work. What are the ring dimensions? Looks like 3/8" id, possibly 5/16" id. How much does it weigh so far?

Ant · Post by **Ant** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:08 pm

David Blackmane wrote:Again, another useless piece of scrap that must be sent to me for proper disposal after completion......

Seriously, nice work. What are the ring dimensions? Looks like 3/8" id, possibly 5/16" id. How much does it weigh so far?

Yes, the rings are 9.5m.m. 0r 3/8", 18ga. Currently it weighs 7lbs. It will be no more than half the weight of my 14ga. butted shirt @ 30lbs.

David Blackmane · Post by **David Blackmane** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:23 pm

Word....

RenJunkie · Post by **RenJunkie** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 3:58 pm

Way nice, Ant. The flattening alone must have taken a week.

Do you just smack the round ones with a hammer, or do you have a tool to make roundies into flats? If you do, mind posting a pic, and saying where it came from?

Thanks,
Christopher

Ant · Post by **Ant** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 4:27 pm

I mentioned where the rings are from. They were flat when I bought them. I have flattened round wire rings before though, just using a 3lb hammer on a cast iron weight plate, I posted a pic of that piece a couple of weeks ago. Ant.

RenJunkie · Post by **RenJunkie** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:46 am

The wholesale armor rings came flat? They looked round in the pic on their site. i thought only the punched rings came flat.

That's be even better. Saves a million hours of flattening.

Thanks,
Christopher

Patrick Kelly · Post by **Patrick Kelly** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:42 am

Looking good.

Did you expand the shoulders front to back, so the sleeves will be bias-forward when finished?

Ant · Post by **Ant** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:51 am

Pat, I,m probably just going to add in a few expasions over the shoulder blades although it would,nt be too hard to try your suggestion. Is one way better than the other? All my other shirts (butted) are big enough around the chest and did not need either technique. But it may be nice to tailor this one a bit. Ant.

Patrick Kelly · Post by **Patrick Kelly** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 11:55 pm

Ant wrote:Pat, I,m probably just going to add in a few expasions over the shoulder blades although it would,nt be too hard to try your suggestion. Is one way better than the other? All my other shirts (butted) are big enough around the chest and did not need either technique. But it may be nice to tailor this one a bit. Ant.

I think either way would suffice.

You'd be surprised by the difference tailoring makes in both fit and comfort. Tailoring provides a proper fit whereas making it "big enough" doesn't, it just provides enough room, along with excessive weight. There's a lot more to it than simply making it big enough around the chest (which is the common mistake made by those who don't know any better or simply don't want to take the time). Expanding across the shoulders, or shoulder blades will cause the sleeves to be biased-forward, just like a fabric garment. This will aid in comfort as well as helping to prevent binding during movement. The common method of simply adding enough girth around the chest will help in these areas but will also make the shirt heavier than it needs to be.

Several of my earlier projects were the standard butted, tube-o-sleeves type commonly made. When I made my riveted hauberk I went with tailoring and the difference is significant in both fit and appearance. If you're going for a longer knee-length hauberk make sure to add expansion rings every third or fourth row in the skirt. This will expand the skirt and avoid the commonly scene A-frame type gape in the front and back slits, something that totally destroys the look of the kit in my opinion. You're off to a good start and I'd hate to see you spend all the effort on riveted mail only to wind up with the common sub-standard interpretation.

I only see round-section riveted rings advertised at Wholesale armor. Did you order these and they sent the flat rings instead? I wouldn't mind finding another source of loose rings but haven't ordered from WA because of this.

Ant · Post by **Ant** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:45 am

Pat, thanks for the tips. Wholsale Armor has flat rings, you just have to ask about them as they,re not on the website. Ant.