How would you glove these?
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Ive never owned a pair of gaunts. Would i buy a welding glove? And then do what? How would i pad it as well? Would i pad the glove and not the gaunts? I was hopeing the armour would glove it and pad it for me so it would be ready to go but he doesnt offer that.
how would you gloves these?
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Cossack Odo
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If you bought welding gloves, you wouldnt need to pad them.
What i would do is rivet pieces of leather at the cuff, top of the palms, some point along each finger that is not at a finger joint and at the finger tips, then lace it to the glove.
What i would do is rivet pieces of leather at the cuff, top of the palms, some point along each finger that is not at a finger joint and at the finger tips, then lace it to the glove.
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Matt-
You will have to secure the fingers, the palm, and the wrist. You can also hit the cuff, but not necessary, unless SCA regs dictate.
Here's a pic of my gaunts (taken from Jiri's site, since it's so clear) - and then some commentary on what works with them and why.
The fingers are sewn along the sides a good way down the finger. Keeps the plates where they belong. Rather than use a full palm strap, Jiri has two tabs that are apparent if you look for 'em, placed where your strap is attached to the metacarpal plate. They are sewn to the sides of the gloves. You could do this, with or without cutting the strap. You may be able to skip it. I love not having the big strap across my palm, as I can feel my sword better. (I'm using steel swords, and intend to take them out for a cutting session with sharps soon...) The point of attachment that is missing is at the wrist, and you may or may not need it. My pair has two buckled straps - one at the wrist, and one at the tail end of the cuff - which is darned near my elbow - these are really long.
The issue I see that will make sewing these difficult is the strips of leather that make up the fingers is very narrow. Jiri left enough hanging out of the side of the fingers to allow this. It appears that there is a bit sticking past the fingertips, though... Not sure this is going to be as secure as you want it or need it to be if it's just the fingertips that are sewn in.
Hopefully that helps... Ill-fitting and ill-functioning gaunts are horrid, and it's not always the gauntlet, but the glove-gauntlet interface that sucks.
You will have to secure the fingers, the palm, and the wrist. You can also hit the cuff, but not necessary, unless SCA regs dictate.
Here's a pic of my gaunts (taken from Jiri's site, since it's so clear) - and then some commentary on what works with them and why.
The fingers are sewn along the sides a good way down the finger. Keeps the plates where they belong. Rather than use a full palm strap, Jiri has two tabs that are apparent if you look for 'em, placed where your strap is attached to the metacarpal plate. They are sewn to the sides of the gloves. You could do this, with or without cutting the strap. You may be able to skip it. I love not having the big strap across my palm, as I can feel my sword better. (I'm using steel swords, and intend to take them out for a cutting session with sharps soon...) The point of attachment that is missing is at the wrist, and you may or may not need it. My pair has two buckled straps - one at the wrist, and one at the tail end of the cuff - which is darned near my elbow - these are really long.
The issue I see that will make sewing these difficult is the strips of leather that make up the fingers is very narrow. Jiri left enough hanging out of the side of the fingers to allow this. It appears that there is a bit sticking past the fingertips, though... Not sure this is going to be as secure as you want it or need it to be if it's just the fingertips that are sewn in.
Hopefully that helps... Ill-fitting and ill-functioning gaunts are horrid, and it's not always the gauntlet, but the glove-gauntlet interface that sucks.
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Heavy welding gloves are generally clumsy and awkward for use inside gauntlets. A good quality leather glove that fits your hands well is the better choice.
Some people have had very good success with a strip of felt glued to the back of the glove for padding. I'm a fan of Sorbethane, although I have not yet moved to finger guantlets so my experience is not directly applicable.
The attachment method Aaron discussed looks very solid to me, and while, as I said, I don't use finger gauntlets myself, I've been messing around with this armour stuff and fighting in it for quite a few years and have seen a great many different methods attempted with varying success.
Some people have had very good success with a strip of felt glued to the back of the glove for padding. I'm a fan of Sorbethane, although I have not yet moved to finger guantlets so my experience is not directly applicable.
The attachment method Aaron discussed looks very solid to me, and while, as I said, I don't use finger gauntlets myself, I've been messing around with this armour stuff and fighting in it for quite a few years and have seen a great many different methods attempted with varying success.
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Your going to have to sew it, there is no way out of it that is going to work worth a crap.
Here is a pic of mine where I left the leather under the fingers short, like the ones you posted a pic of:
I put a hole through the fingertip of each leather strip, and just ran a sewing needle with sinew through the glove a couple of times. Its really not hard at all. The hardest part is getting the needle through the leather. You can see along the metal where I punched holes and ran the thread through there a couple of times. If you can tie a knot, you can sew these.
I would strongly suggest that if you are going to sew them to other parts of the gauntlets than just the finger leather, to rivet a little tab of leather to sew the glove to. If you just punch a hole in the metal, it will cut the sinew very quickly. I later went back and put leather where I punched holes to sew the gloves, I was just in a hurry to get them ready for an event when the pic was taken.
Here is a pic of mine where I left the leather under the fingers short, like the ones you posted a pic of:
I put a hole through the fingertip of each leather strip, and just ran a sewing needle with sinew through the glove a couple of times. Its really not hard at all. The hardest part is getting the needle through the leather. You can see along the metal where I punched holes and ran the thread through there a couple of times. If you can tie a knot, you can sew these.
I would strongly suggest that if you are going to sew them to other parts of the gauntlets than just the finger leather, to rivet a little tab of leather to sew the glove to. If you just punch a hole in the metal, it will cut the sinew very quickly. I later went back and put leather where I punched holes to sew the gloves, I was just in a hurry to get them ready for an event when the pic was taken.
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Dierick wrote:Are you in the US? If you can't find anyone close to you, and could get them to me relatively quickly, I could do them. I'd look for someone close first though, no sense in you paying a lot in shipping them around.
I was thinking the same way, but my queue is overflowing at the moment...
Someone is bound to be able to do it right there. Take them, the gloves you want, and the couple of pics we've posted as examples of what needs be done...
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Look, matt: you won't have to "sew for crap," even, to get these secured. It will all be individual stitches, or as many as three in a row, and all you will need will be a glovers' needle, one of the needles in a kit LF/Tandy sells, maybe a pair of pliers to pull it through, a spool of the stitching awl thread they sell, and either a stab awl or a pointy little X-Acto blade to poke holes to stitch in. With good-size holes, about three turns around in the individual stitch should give all the strength you want, then tie them off with a square knot. Think of it not as sewing but as lashing something down, which is what you're doing, just small.
Trust me, you've got no business being afraid of sewing it in yourself. If the pic from this Russian maker is accurate, you'll have a bit of leather available to take a couple of those three-times stitches in each fingertip.
Gee, I hope those hollow-tube speedy-rivets will have the needed strength. And I hope that gaunt and its cuff are deep enough. They look to have a cross section about like [ when C is more the thing in the cuff if not the metacarpal.
Don't use welding gloves; they are stiff, loose, not designed to give a grip on a haft, and are really designed around an entirely not-plate-armor problem -- keeping you from setting your hands on fire. You want a flexible drover's glove or something of the kind, sturdy but soft-tanned leather. Add on gauntlet cuffs if you absolutely must, but you probably won't need anything really extra.
1/8" craft foam from crafts shops, or a similar sheet of neoprene, gives padding that won't take up too much room. Your choice what you affix it to.
Trust me, you've got no business being afraid of sewing it in yourself. If the pic from this Russian maker is accurate, you'll have a bit of leather available to take a couple of those three-times stitches in each fingertip.
Gee, I hope those hollow-tube speedy-rivets will have the needed strength. And I hope that gaunt and its cuff are deep enough. They look to have a cross section about like [ when C is more the thing in the cuff if not the metacarpal.
Don't use welding gloves; they are stiff, loose, not designed to give a grip on a haft, and are really designed around an entirely not-plate-armor problem -- keeping you from setting your hands on fire. You want a flexible drover's glove or something of the kind, sturdy but soft-tanned leather. Add on gauntlet cuffs if you absolutely must, but you probably won't need anything really extra.
1/8" craft foam from crafts shops, or a similar sheet of neoprene, gives padding that won't take up too much room. Your choice what you affix it to.
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