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Will a brigandine fit into 15th century with a basinet with just a gambeson under it??? Please excuse my ignorence

matt9625 wrote:Will a brigandine fit into 15th century with a basinet with just a gambeson under it??? Please excuse my ignorence

If I am remembering my dates correctly, the brig was not used until a few decades (1450ish) after the basinet fell out of use (1420ish).


Take it for what it is worth, for I am certainly not a master.

There are brig types that are early enough for bascinets. For exampe corrazinas date to as late as 1420s which would still be a time when latter bascinet types are in use. Both brigs and bascinets evolve over time so the question becomes one of matching the correct types together based on time frame and region.

I am not too sure what you have in mind with the gambison. Typically brigs were worn with mail.

lorenzo2 wrote:There are brig types that are early enough for bascinets. For exampe corrazinas date to as late as 1420s which would still be a time when latter bascinet types are in use. Both brigs and bascinets evolve over time so the question becomes one of matching the correct types together based on time frame and region.

I am not too sure what you have in mind with the gambison. Typically brigs were worn with mail.

I would call the corrazina by a different name than a brig. Though technically they have similarities in construction, they are no more similar than a brig and a coat-of-plates or a corrazina and a coat-of-plates.

Maybe ill just stick with a COP then. Anyone know somewhere to get a nice light weight COP pre-made and not in a kit? I wanted to avoid useing maille overall. I was thinking a COP and ill have a gambeson under that and then a body bracelet under that. The maille would just add to much weight in my openion.

matt9625 wrote:Maybe ill just stick with a COP then. Anyone know somewhere to get a nice light weight COP pre-made and not in a kit? I wanted to avoid useing maille overall. I was thinking a COP and ill have a gambeson under that and then a body bracelet under that. The maille would just add to much weight in my openion.

You can get one from me. I will have to wait untill my wife arrives home from work to get a quote.
Mine weighs next to nothing
http://www.whitemountainarmoury.com/mag ... Plates.php

Im interested.

Authorities such as Ian Eaves and Boccia consider Corrazinas to be a form of brig, not a form of coat of plates. There are also a number of existing brigs from the 15th century but of a latter date with smaller split breast plates that are likely derived from the corrazina, not from the coat of plates. Therefore, I think it best to stick with that nomenclature.

The Beeston castle article by Eaves is the best on this topic.

lorenzo2 wrote:Authorities such as Ian Eaves and Boccia consider Corrazinas to be a form of brig, not a form of coat of plates. There are also a number of existing brigs from the 15th century but of a latter date with smaller split breast plates that are likely derived from the corrazina, not from the coat of plates. Therefore, I think it best to stick with that nomenclature.

The Beeston castle article by Eaves is the best on this topic.

Never said the corrazina was a coat-of-plates. Personally, I think it should be its own entity as it differs from both.