Horn plates in Bently Grange
Horn plates in Bently Grange
Talking to a mate who was wondering how you would work and attach the horn plates in the Bently Grange helmet? I would imagine rivits with washers would hold it all right, provided it doesn't crack, but how would you get the horn soft enough to work it?
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Nkari
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Boiling smells nowhere near as bad as sawing.
Guess you could just throw some nice smelling stuff in the water while you were at it if you got the urge, not sure of how much of a good idea that is though.
Ever tried attacking antler with a dremmel? Thats pleasant!
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Guess you could just throw some nice smelling stuff in the water while you were at it if you got the urge, not sure of how much of a good idea that is though.
Ever tried attacking antler with a dremmel? Thats pleasant!
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It was actually a mate who was thinking of making it, but looking at Halvgrim's page, I wouldn't mind making one myself, if I get the ime from the hundreds of other things I need to do.
Would you do a reconstruction or one based on BG? I think the real hassle, if you were doing a reconstruction would be the boar. That would be a real bugger. Just getting the shape of it. I spose with a grinder and a dremil you could probably pull it off. What do you think? The other option would be to cheat and cast it from bronze.
Making the rivits out of silver should be doable as well, provided I can source appropriatly sized bars, which I should be able to do. We may have to cast up the cross. It would be nice to know what diameter the rivits were and get details of the cross. I don't suppose Tweedle has any more pictures? Halvgrim?
Where does the helmet reside currently?
It wouldn't be suitable for fighting, but would look great as a showpiece for displays.
BTW, how many helmets have you actually made, and how many are combat worthy? Do you sell them, or do you just have a massive helmet cupboard at home?
Would you do a reconstruction or one based on BG? I think the real hassle, if you were doing a reconstruction would be the boar. That would be a real bugger. Just getting the shape of it. I spose with a grinder and a dremil you could probably pull it off. What do you think? The other option would be to cheat and cast it from bronze.
Making the rivits out of silver should be doable as well, provided I can source appropriatly sized bars, which I should be able to do. We may have to cast up the cross. It would be nice to know what diameter the rivits were and get details of the cross. I don't suppose Tweedle has any more pictures? Halvgrim?
Where does the helmet reside currently?
It wouldn't be suitable for fighting, but would look great as a showpiece for displays.
BTW, how many helmets have you actually made, and how many are combat worthy? Do you sell them, or do you just have a massive helmet cupboard at home?
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Originally posted by lacheadon:
I think the real hassle, if you were doing a reconstruction would be the boar. That would be a real bugger. Just getting the shape of it. I spose with a grinder and a dremil you could probably pull it off. What do you think? The other option would be to cheat and cast it from bronze.
Actually, that's how it was made. It's cast in two pieces, with the join running from front to back.
Making the rivits out of silver should be doable as well, provided I can source appropriatly sized bars, which I should be able to do. We may have to cast up the cross. It would be nice to know what diameter the rivits were and get details of the cross. I don't suppose Tweedle has any more pictures? Halvgrim?
No wuckers, mate. I've got all that stuff. The cross is made out of thin silver - you could probably cut it out of sheet.<B>
It wouldn't be suitable for fighting</B>
Well, only because of the current rules. I should think a helmet made this way would probably be strong enough to take anything handed out to it.<B> . . . .
Talking to a mate who was wondering how you would work and attach the horn plates in the Bently Grange helmet? I would imagine rivits with washers would hold it all right, provided it doesn't crack, but how would you get the horn soft enough to work it?</B>
The horn plates are actually sandwiched between the inner and outer frame - the rivets don't contact them. And for the horn (outer) frame, onl the rivet heads contact them - the rivet is pened over inside the helmet, against the inner (steel) frame.
Putting horn in boilibng water makes it soft enough to work, but you have to shape it fast, before it cools down. However, you can have as many bites at the cherry as you like if you stuff it up - horn is genuine thermoplastic - ie it becomes soft and pliable when heated - and you just have to dunk it in the water again to get the shape right.
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I think the real hassle, if you were doing a reconstruction would be the boar. That would be a real bugger. Just getting the shape of it. I spose with a grinder and a dremil you could probably pull it off. What do you think? The other option would be to cheat and cast it from bronze.
Actually, that's how it was made. It's cast in two pieces, with the join running from front to back.
Making the rivits out of silver should be doable as well, provided I can source appropriatly sized bars, which I should be able to do. We may have to cast up the cross. It would be nice to know what diameter the rivits were and get details of the cross. I don't suppose Tweedle has any more pictures? Halvgrim?
No wuckers, mate. I've got all that stuff. The cross is made out of thin silver - you could probably cut it out of sheet.<B>
It wouldn't be suitable for fighting</B>
Well, only because of the current rules. I should think a helmet made this way would probably be strong enough to take anything handed out to it.<B> . . . .
Talking to a mate who was wondering how you would work and attach the horn plates in the Bently Grange helmet? I would imagine rivits with washers would hold it all right, provided it doesn't crack, but how would you get the horn soft enough to work it?</B>
The horn plates are actually sandwiched between the inner and outer frame - the rivets don't contact them. And for the horn (outer) frame, onl the rivet heads contact them - the rivet is pened over inside the helmet, against the inner (steel) frame.
Putting horn in boilibng water makes it soft enough to work, but you have to shape it fast, before it cools down. However, you can have as many bites at the cherry as you like if you stuff it up - horn is genuine thermoplastic - ie it becomes soft and pliable when heated - and you just have to dunk it in the water again to get the shape right.
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Egfroth
"Pig, sit still in the strainer.
Pig, sit still in the strainer!
I must have my pig tea!"
Egfroth
see my webpage at www.geocities.com/egfrothos
<B>Actually, that's how it was made. It's cast in two pieces, with the join running from front to back.
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I thought it was an iron boar? Something that I couldn't do in my backyard. If it is bronze I can probable do it OK, or silver.
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No wuckers, mate. I've got all that stuff. The cross is made out of thin silver - you could probably cut it out of sheet.
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That was the plan. I should be able to get hold of some silver bar and plate OK.
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Well, only because of the current rules. I should think a helmet made this way would probably be strong enough to take anything handed out to it. . . . .
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You really think so? I don't know if I would trust it.
And if I was doing something as pretty as this, I wouldn't fight in it. I I did, I would probably have a spun dome as my base, instead of the steel frame, and put the horn plates on to cover the gaps. It would possible look OK.
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The horn plates are actually sandwiched between the inner and outer frame - the rivets don't contact them. And for the horn (outer) frame, onl the rivet heads contact them - the rivet is pened over inside the helmet, against the inner (steel) frame.</B>
Hmm, got the helmet construstion. It actually came up in a discussion on our list about Halberds single rivit helmet design that someone found.
I didn't realise it was the inside frame that was metal. That makes a bit more sense.
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I thought it was an iron boar? Something that I couldn't do in my backyard. If it is bronze I can probable do it OK, or silver.
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No wuckers, mate. I've got all that stuff. The cross is made out of thin silver - you could probably cut it out of sheet.
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That was the plan. I should be able to get hold of some silver bar and plate OK.
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Well, only because of the current rules. I should think a helmet made this way would probably be strong enough to take anything handed out to it. . . . .
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You really think so? I don't know if I would trust it.
And if I was doing something as pretty as this, I wouldn't fight in it. I I did, I would probably have a spun dome as my base, instead of the steel frame, and put the horn plates on to cover the gaps. It would possible look OK.
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The horn plates are actually sandwiched between the inner and outer frame - the rivets don't contact them. And for the horn (outer) frame, onl the rivet heads contact them - the rivet is pened over inside the helmet, against the inner (steel) frame.</B>
Hmm, got the helmet construstion. It actually came up in a discussion on our list about Halberds single rivit helmet design that someone found.
I didn't realise it was the inside frame that was metal. That makes a bit more sense.
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