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I am in need of a good pattern for some baggy pants to cover my hidden armor...I made a pair a while back but i am not all that satisfied with how they turned out. Need a better pattern to make a pair of top notch baggy
pants.
please help!

If you need a real world pattern, try Simplicity #8587. It's a Ren Fair peasant-style pattern which has pants that are easy to adapt for
SCA use, and meet the ten foot rule. You can make a well-constructed pair in an hour and a half.

http://jorgencraft.hostit.pl/files/russ ... 5B1%5D.jpg
this is what i'm looking for really.

Ah. clarity helps. My honest answer on that is that I can order them from Adric at linengarb.com less expensively that I can make them, given the price of heavy linen.

However, I'm not aware of a commercial pattern that does that. You can alter one like the one I mentioned above if she have solid patterning skills.

well i have a large brown linen table cloth that i want to use to make a pair. second hand stores are the best for linen.
Anyway...im broke and it really boils down to, if i can't make it i don't need it.

Why does the internets fail me so!!!
Can't they just have an easy website for pants patterns of the baggy type. So frustrating.

Simplicity clown costume pants.

Google search turned this up:

http://thorsonandsvava.sccspirit.com/pd ... ut_men.pdf

Baggy-pants pattern half way down. Real simple. I have not used the patterns found here, so user beware.

Bjorn

yea that is the pattern i tried last time with not so great results...they turned out ok but not quite as good as i was hoping.

Sir Mordan from here in Meridies has made himself several very nice pair. I'll ask him how he patterns his.

go buy a pattern for a pair of shorts but make them huge. the rus pants i sell have an 80 in waist and my little wife wears them for belly dance pants. fat guys wear em to fight in so with a draw string they will fit just about anyone.

you want to draw up the part below your knee and stitch it down so it stays gathered, and then add a straight tube to that part. pretty easy untill you have to do hundreds...

mine end up blowing up around 4 yards of fabric in each pair so just plan accordingly.

if you find your wasting too much time or fabric i can hook ya up. and there are a couple pics on my website that might help.

thanks for the advice Adric. i'll try to post some pics of my finished pants if i get them made.

I make mine by just cutting two oversized rectangles of fabric, sewing the top half or so of each together to form the crotch/upper, and gathering it all into a wasitband with a drawstring.
(I have also done a buttoned band and short fly front, with a laced "V" back adjustment when I did not want to mess with a drawstring that can come untied at inopportune moments...)

Then I add either an ankle, or knee gather with a lower leg tube.

-Badger-

Here is a basic pajama/baggy/drawstring pants pattern...

You can make your own pattern fairly easily, even for that style with the tight leg. The reality is that wearing Rus pants you should be either wrapping your calves with winingas or wearing calf boots, so its fine if the bottoms don't get that tight.

Here's how I've patterned before.

- Take a pair of pajama pants and fold them in half to see the shape of one leg.
- Lay them out so the outside of the leg is on a fold of the cloth.
- Trace the pajama pants making sure to leave extra room at the top (for folding over to hold a drawstring) and extra rooms around the side. You can do this easily by putting your pattern pants farther into the fabric so there's space between the fold and the edge of the pattern pants.
-Cut
-Sew up the inseem of each leg to the crotch.
-Make a long thin rectangle of fabric, probably about 6"-8" wide.
-Sew the rectangle between the two legs to construct the pants. This reinforces the crotch by splitting the stress between two seams.
-Hem the ankles and turn over the top, then insert a drawstring

If you want to shape them more, you can put the pants on inside out and have someone pin them closer to your body. Then make a new seam and cut off the excess.

I recall a thread on the archive, where someone needed some help with a Russian pattern.

The problem they had was that the pattern was in metric and they only knew imperial.

If you find the thread, 1" = 2.5cm (try looking for Rus pants, possibily)


Don

well i did a few searches and didn't have any luck on pants patterns on the archive. my major problem that i had with my last pants pattern i tried was that they didn't hang like the baggy pants that linen garb makes. They are just slightly baggy at the knees. Was wanting something more baggy all over. Just gona have to try my best and see what happens.

It's all in the pleats!

Varukh wrote:well i did a few searches and didn't have any luck on pants patterns on the archive. my major problem that i had with my last pants pattern i tried was that they didn't hang like the baggy pants that linen garb makes. They are just slightly baggy at the knees. Was wanting something more baggy all over. Just gona have to try my best and see what happens.

PM DeCalmont here on the archive. Ask him (to ask his wife) how to prepare a pattern for Voila Pants. They are just like the ones in the picture you posted.

Answered PM

I'll try to post a pattern or some pictures this weekend hopefully.

thank you very much.

G

My Eastern style pants are based off the pattern Greenshield posted. From what I have seen of the fragments of pants from that era I it is a reasonable pattern:





The legs are 3 yards of material and I cut it into half (25-30 inches wide each after shrinking in the wash). The seat and front gore are fit in just like the Thorsberg trousers (construction here http://www.historiclife.com/Essays/Thor ... ousers.htm)

That is basically my same pant, couple of minor differences would be instead of the lower leg cuff they have a cannon (longer piece that extends about halfway down the calf, it helps keep them tucked in better) and I have a triangle flap instead of a square flap. That pattern right there should work well for you.

I am currently looking for a pattern to make a pair of the pants that James B. has posted pictures. I have run across the pattern that Greenshield has posted also, except I found it in the Swedish version. I am wanting to draft up a pattern so I can give it to my wife. Does anyone have one with either dimesions and the size of person it fits so I can adjust them to my measurements, or instructions on how to get the proper dimensions. The pattern that Greenshield has posted and the one that James has linked to both show the general shape but gives no mention to the size of the different pieces. Thanks

that pattern looks great...but i am having trouble wrapping my head around how to put them together. Is that just 1/4 panel of the pants or is that for one whole leg. i'm just having trouble seeing how to put the pattern together once it is cut out.

That is the whole leg. One way to see how the pattern works and give you some small measurements is to blow up the parts and print them. As large as you can on your printer. Then cut them with some scrap material. Sew it up and it will give you an idea of how it fits together. 8.5 x 11 paper will give something about the size of an old GI Joe doll.

The material between B and C is were you will add the extra you need for the pleats. Buy some really cheap fabric and try some fitting. Just remember it is going to take some trial and error.

The dashed line between B and C on the pattern means to make it as long as you need and pleat. As I said my pants are 3 yards of material wide (including the curved groin area gut outs) or so pleated down to a 45 inch waist band (large enough to pull over my hips and then belt tight).

well where i am lost on the pattern is how to close the leg. how to sew it that is. there is the A piece sticking out to the left....where does that attach to? the whole left side of the pattern is what is confusing to me.

Swamp Stick wrote:Google search turned this up:

http://thorsonandsvava.sccspirit.com/pd ... ut_men.pdf

Baggy-pants pattern half way down. Real simple. I have not used the patterns found here, so user beware.

Bjorn

Okay made a pair out of muslin to see if they will work for me as fighting pants. Made some mods to the dimensions because I did not want the bag to hang too far below my knees. I just guessed what dimensions should be for me or pulled them from other pants (like the lower leg). I immediately tore the fabric in the crotch while testing leg movement (no armour) so I sewed the tear shut, ripped the seams, and then installed in a diamond shaped gusset in the crotch like you would find in Eastern Martial Arts uniforms. Works great. Fought in them tonight and could not be happier. Now I will make some out of heavier cloth.

Over all no fuss no muss. Really simple and quick (probably do a pair in an hour now). I do suggest to add the gusset if you modify the way they hang like I did. I also sewed on leg ties right at the seam between the upper and lower leg. Those worked very well, and will come in useful for when I don't want to deal with leg wraps.

The only bad thing is now I want to upgrade my footwear since leg wraps won't let me wear my the cuff of my pants over the boot uppers.

Bjorn

Bjorn

Varukh wrote:well where i am lost on the pattern is how to close the leg. how to sew it that is. there is the A piece sticking out to the left....where does that attach to? the whole left side of the pattern is what is confusing to me.

Works just like the Thorsberg trousers:

Attach the thin gusset for the front to the curved part of the leg pattern, thick part down.



Then attach the widest side of the seat gusset across the bottom of the front gusset and the two small areas at the bottom of the leg curves like this:



Here are the rest of the instructions http://www.historiclife.com/Essays/Thor ... ousers.htm think of the baggy pattern as the same thing with much wider material and 1/3 less the length.

ah....thank you...now it makes more sense. I just needed to see it put together like that. Many thanks,
Varukh

alright...so i tried the pattern with some old bed sheets that i had laying around the house. came out great! just didn't make em wide enough. Will fix that on the next pair. Thanks for all the help guys.

here is the final product. They are not super baggy due to my lack of material but they are baggy enough to cover my leg armor with no problems. i took this pic with one of my boots and my new home made shoe and winingas to see how they would look with both. Still have to dye the shoes though.