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Trevor wrote:
Natavia wrote:Because I would like something I can use mundanly as well as scadian. We have a huge oval marquee. We have 16 x 16 regent. I want something that is easier to get in and out of a smaller vehicle and can use it not just for sca events. I want to be able to put it up by myself so I don't always need "help". That is "why".


You can get a period conical tent that is just as easy to pack in a smaller vehicle as a "Soulpad", is spot-on period, and looks just as dorky to mundanes who are used to seeing nylon.

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Doesn't take any more manpower to put up a period conical tent than it does to put up a non-period conical tent.

Sorry folks, but you can do better.


I can get a conical and poles and 2 kids, a husband, armour and gear into a Saab 9000? Srsly? :roll: Im only talking about using this at weekend events. I don't always want to pull out the regent for an event and use our monster gas guzzling 1986 Suburban for a weekend event when we can get away with bare minimum in the Saab. To each there own.
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Natavia wrote:I can get a conical and poles and 2 kids, a husband, armour and gear into a Saab 9000? Srsly?


Yup, Srsly.

To be clear, we're talking a conical tent, not a round marquee. The "Soulpad" is a conical tent, too; only with stunted sides like the 19th century Sibley tent. The amount of canvas is the same, so they will pack up the same.

Granted, you might have to get creative with your pole, such as getting a telescoping pole from an Army surplus store or racking one with the pole arms, or make a pole that breaks down.

But the end result has all the features that you listed as desirable with the "Soulpad", but without the inflated price tag.
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I got my canvas wedge tent (with poles), armour, food for a week, arts & crafts, myself and two passengers into my old two-door Saturn SC2.

No servants or gymnastics required. You just have to try.

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Derian le Breton wrote:I got my canvas wedge tent (with poles), armour, food for a week, arts & crafts, myself and two passengers into my old two-door Saturn SC2.

No servants or gymnastics required. You just have to try.

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I want pics of that. My buddy (a 250 pounder) had an SC2 I rode in (I'm a 200 pounder) and I struggled just to get comfortable in there.
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I don't have pics and I don't have the car any more. It was a tight fit, and we packed things in on top of one of the passengers... but I'm very good at car tetris. ;)

I loved that car though, plenty of room for 170 lbs me!

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Trevor wrote:Sorry folks, but you can do better.


As your wedge tent is *also* incorrect for my persona (for the vast majority of values of "persona"), the choice is "How do I choose to be incorrect?"

I, personally, choose "Vaugely period looking, comes in a complete pack, and can be set up by one person easily the first time in the dark" over "Looks and is period, but not my period, I had to spend (money to buy or time to build) on groundcloth, poles, and stakes too, and it's existence makes it so my transportation options are limited".

The soulpad is only jarring to the person LOOKING to be jarred. To anyone else, it is close enough that it can be edited into the background.

Certainly for a camping area of an event, which isn't generally a haven of perfection anyhow.
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Trevor,

Do you have a link to the conical you speak of? I would love to check it out, and if its comparable that would be great! Thanks! I just want something we can put up like Gorm said, in the dark, with little difficulty and easy transport.
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Gorm wrote:As your wedge tent is *also* incorrect for my persona (for the vast majority of values of "persona"), the choice is "How do I choose to be incorrect?"


I agree with this, I have come to hate the term "Period". Something that is period for one time and place does not make it acceptable for another time and place.

I still don't quite get spending money on something for a medieval club that isn't your period, but I am weird like that.

I get the soulpad over the nylon tents my friends seem to think are a good idea.

What is your period of interest Gorm?
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Sasha_Khan wrote:
sha-ul wrote:
Isn't a Laavu a little steeper in pitch?

The soulpads are based upon the Sibley, which IIRC were inspired by the Laavu


I wouldn't say that the Sibley tent is inspired by the laavu, since the support structure is so different.

The ethnically and factory-made laavus I've had a chance to examine are quite a bit steeper in pitch.


Have you looked at this one?

http://soulpad.com/sanctuary/component/ ... /vmcchk,1/
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Natavia wrote:Trevor,

Do you have a link to the conical you speak of? I would love to check it out, and if its comparable that would be great! Thanks! I just want something we can put up like Gorm said, in the dark, with little difficulty and easy transport.


My first choice would be Midwesttents.com. They do not specifically sell a conical tent, but it shouldn't be a big deal for them to make one and their prices are the lowest I've seen. That said, here's some companies that do offer conical tents.

Mind you, the "Soulpad" ranges in price from $399-$729, so keep that in mind while comparing price

Here are some links:

http://steel-mastery.com/index.php?&mod ... uct_id=730

http://www.tentsmiths.com/period-tents- ... tents.html

http://www.pantherprimitives.com/catalo ... G%2056.pdf


I would also consider a Bell Wedge tent, as it offers the same advantages of ease of set-up and portability, but has a floorplan that is a bit easier to use:

http://www.pantherprimitives.com/catalo ... G%2031.pdf

Hope this helps!
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Gorm wrote:
The soulpad is only jarring to the person LOOKING to be jarred. To anyone else, it is close enough that it can be edited into the background.


I agree, it is "medieval-ish" in shape and material. The looks are not as jarring as a nylon tent, to be sure.

My point, should you care to go back and read my post again, is asking why someone would choose something that is modern, (if medieval-ish), when something dead-on period can be had for the same money and offers the advantages.

Personally, I know what Medieval tents look like. Many folks do. So yes, I can take one look at the "Soulpad" and know that it's not a Medieval tent.

Where I find the disconnect with what you are saying is when you say, " To anyone else, it is close enough".

This strikes me as saying, "If you know what Medieval tents look like and you CARE, it is jarring. If you know and you DON'T CARE, then it doesn't matter. If you are ignorant, you won't know the difference."

That attitude is what makes the SCA the largest Medieval-ish organization in the world. And, it is what it is. I appreciate that a lot of people can play here.

IT is one thing for someone to choose a modern tent over a period one because of a lack of funds or crafting ability to come up with something better.

But, for someone who is a dedicated player (which everyone who has spoken up here is), I personally don't see the reasoning. Seems like a waste of money to me when something better can be had at or below that price point.
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I'm no expert - my knowledge goes to yurts, not tents (and I guess sort of like Trevor, I dismiss most "yurtoids" out of hand). But it seems to me like almost all of these options are total overkill unless one is portraying a completely decked-out noble house with all its retainers. Maybe it's just because I've never really played the game in the States, with the exception of attending a Crossroads event and am used to running with a lighter footprint, but can't the modern stuff just be left with the car?
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Trevor with some judicious deletions by Gorm wrote:why someone would choose something that is modern, (if medieval-ish), when something dead-on period can be had for the same money and offers the advantages.

IT is one thing for someone to choose a modern tent over a period one because of a lack of funds or crafting ability to come up with something better.

But, for someone who is a dedicated player (which everyone who has spoken up here is), I personally don't see the reasoning. Seems like a waste of money to me when something better can be had at or below that price point.


To me, it's the difference between the "Immersive" events and groups and the "Pick and Choose" events and groups.

Some groups, such as the various MTA groups, many Reinactment groups, and the like, strive for Immersive Recreation. They may even have standards that say "Although we appreciate your efforts, you can't play with us unless you have X, Y, and 3 Z's".

There's nothing wrong about that, and in many environments, it is a more complete form of reinactment. However, what I have seen is that for the majority of participants in those forms, once they've assembled "minimum acceptable kit", they're done, they don't need to go any deeper...they're good enough for the club and game over, and there is a limited structure to encourage anything deeper.

(Yes, some do go far beyond that minimum, I'm talking about the unwashed masses here).

Other groups, including the SCA, emphasize the depth of a specific chunk of knowledge. So someone may choose to be studying the processes and techniques of baking, or woodworking, or combat, or, or, or...

Although the group still maintains a minimum "standard", it is set as low as possible (the SCA's is the infamous "attempt at period clothing"), but the rest is up to your individual motivation.

Individuals choose the areas they want to focus their efforts at being "right" at. the guy over there may be a world renowned expert at blacksmithing, and he may be working over a setup that perfectly recreates "state of the art" circa 1145 Brittany, but when he's tired, he goes back to his lawn pimple tent and takes a nap.

The SCA (and other groups) have structure that encourages that sort of thing.

Both approaches are valid and proper and correct. I contend that the "Narrow focus self chosen" results in better knowledge of the *specific areas* chosen for study, with the cost of much less accomplishment in other areas.

For those who want to be that sort of recreationist, they may validly have the thought "Hey...it'd be cool if I had a canvas type of tent, it would fit in a little better when I'm camping next to Joe's perfect single pole regent", and plunk down money on the first thing he sees that meets his minimum standards.

I don't see a problem with that.
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Ogedei wrote:What is your period of interest Gorm?


I am a weird bird...my period of interest is "Liberal Arts", for lack of a better way to put it.

If forced to nail myself down, I'd say my core persona was a late 10th/early 11th Century Outer Hebrides resident (the Isle of Berra/Barra if you need complete specificity...thankfully few ever do :) ). I chose my name and my "normal" mode of dress to fit that...although the clothing ain't all that great (despite the best efforts of a lot of folks, I'm just not a clothes horse)

However, the things I like to do include such distinctly non-10th/11th C Hebridian activities as crossbow archery, rapier combat, and tournament heraldry, which very much don't fit in with that core persona. My options would be to develop multiple personality disorder and maintain four sets of detailed equipment (good luck in a 2 br apartment...) or to accept and embrace the more medeviloid aspects of the SCA structure, which allow me to study the pieces that interest me and participate fully while still allowing a "Meh, that'll work" skipping off the surface of those areas not interesting to me, but necessary to maintain comfort and fun at an event.
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