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There is a sculpture of St. Michael in 14th century armour, killing the dragon.

He is wearing a bascinet with an aventail and a large houppelande-like garment covering his upper body.

I cannot find the pic. Can anyone remember the sculpture I am referring to?

What is the garment called? does anyone make them?

Ok Found it



Thanks!

Glaukos

That is St. George. And his garment would probably be called a jupon, but as I understand it, the term is a pretty catch-all thing, and can refer to the tight fitting sleeveless things we see on English effigies, the padded coat armour worn over a knight's steel armour, or it can be what we see here.

To answer your question, I have never seen anyone's version of this exact garment (one that fits tightly over the armour with buttons going up to the waist, and with baggy sleeves that gather at the wrists.) I would love to see one though, especially if it looks the way the sculpture does.

It can be called different things depending on region and time frame. There is no single one size fits all set of medieval terms I am afraid. Jupon is the most popular among SCA types.

I've made a few, though not exactly like that St. Michael (I always get him confused with George) example. Here's one I made for Asbjorn Johansen (founder of the Historic Combat series at Pennsic) many moons ago:



After he became recognizable on the field wearing the yellow jupon, a friend commissioned a purse for him. I put a mini-As (portraying St. Michael) on it:



I'll be making another similar style of jupon sometime after July 6th. More info coming later on that.

-Tasha

St Michael has a sword.



And what St George has "Its called a lance, hello!!!"

Baron Alcyoneus wrote:St Michael has a sword.



And what St George has "Its called a lance, hello!!!"

I thought St. Michael was angel and had wings. Right?

Baron Alcyoneus wrote:St Michael has a sword.



And what St George has "Its called a lance, hello!!!"

I thought St. Michael was angel and had wings. Right?


Double tap!!

Baron Alcyoneus wrote:St Michael has a sword.

And what St George has "Its called a lance, hello!!!"

St George is often depicted with many different weapons; the picture in the OP of this thread being an example.

Often if he's holding a sword, there is also a broken lance nearby, but this isn't always the case. If the example here were St Michael, then he would probably be holding a set of scales in his off hand, instead of the large shield.

Yes, St. George.

Also, a nice detailed photo is here: http://effigiesandbrasses.com/monuments ... /original/

It was made by Flemish sculptor Jacob de Baerze in his workshop in Dendermonde in c. 1390-1391, shipped to Dijon in 1392, shipped back to Ieper in Flanders where it was polychromed by painter Melchior Broederlam, then back to Dijon again. So if any word should apply for the gown, it should be a Flemish one.

Yeah you can't always go by weapons. I've seen manuscript illuminations with either lance or sword. The wings is usually the giveaway.

I wrote "St. George" initially, second-guessed myself, and then edited my post to say St. Michael and that I confused to two. I give up; I'm leavin' it the way it is.

I confused the two when I painted a shield for someone and now there's a running joke about it. Mix them up at your peril!

Isabella E wrote:I confused the two when I painted a shield for someone and now there's a running joke about it. Mix them up at your peril!

If it's the shield I'm thinking of, the incredible badassery more than makes up for that.

Orazio Valori wrote:

Isabella E wrote:I confused the two when I painted a shield for someone and now there's a running joke about it. Mix them up at your peril!

If it's the shield I'm thinking of, the incredible badassery more than makes up for that.

It probably is. But I am still a little embarrassed by the mistake.

I wear a jupon based on that St. George statue. You can see pictures of my tailor's rendition of it here:
http://burgundianhours.blogspot.com/201 ... y-rig.html
and some detailed shots of the statue here:
http://burgundianhours.blogspot.com/200 ... eorge.html

I've always been drawn to images of that statue of St. George. I've noticed quite a few people re-creating that look. Does anyone have a decent pattern for the jupon he wears or can point me in the right direction?

St. George, traditional patron saint of knghthood, chivalry, The Order of the Garter, and cavalrymen, is almost invariably depicted on horseback, usually armed and equipped as a knight, though sometimes as a Roman cavalry officer, which is what he is believed to have been.

St. Michael the Archangel, Commander of the Hosts of Heaven, is also usually depicted as a knight, but being an angel, he has wings and therefore has no need of a horse. He is, therefore, usually depicted afoot or on the wing. And he's killing the Devil, sometimes in the form of a dragon or serpant, sometimes in the sort of pseudo-human montrous form that so often shows up in Mediaeval and Renaissance depictions of him.

Michael (if bareheaded) will usually be wearing a diadem (circlet with a ruby in the center of the brow, surmounted with a cross).

And it's either a bagpipe-sleeve houppelande or it's a Lentner, after the manner of von Hohenklingen's effigy, 1380s. TOMAR contains a pattern that does for either.

It is similar to the jupons I've made Earl Nigel.

Adrielle Kerrec wrote:It is similar to the jupons I've made Earl Nigel.

Do you sell/share any of your patterns? If not, at least I know one avenue for purchasing one.

Completely off-topic, but I like the way the Earl loops his belt a second time like that, to keep the extra length from hanging to his knees. Very dapper detail, that.

Windrose sells a nice Jupon similar to the effigy shown in a range of fabrics and colors. In fact, the black and gold brocade jupon I wore in the CotT was one of theirs.

Max Von Halstern

Well look here fellers I got one for sale!


Just go here!
http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=140810

I found this today while trying to decide how to recreate the look.

http://annadewilde.livejournal.com/1041.html