Ways to deal with non period camps around in the SCA

[Ingvarr]

sorry but im gonna have to troll you on this XD

jeff must be a pixie in size to fit in a 14" round pavillion ROFLMAO!!!!

also that would explain why he could fit so much XD

She didn't say what the pavillion was for. She might have been bragging.

[Gobae]

How heavy do you think the poles are?! I can pick up all the 5 poles for my tent and carry them under one arm.

[Woeg]

It's totally cool to prefer your modern tent. It's totally reasonable to say "I just don't want to put the energy in to making a period tent work with my current form of transportation."

It is totally bull, though, to say a period tent is any less feasible or financially possible just because of your transportation means.

This summer, I'm working on a new tent - my wife and kids VERY rarely go to events, and I want to start solo eventing a lot more. It makes no sense for me to haul my pavillion for just me. Also, because gas is crazy expensive and my budget is very tight, I plan on doing this on this:



Crazy? Maybe. Doable? Yes. I have already done a little experimenting, and can comfortably load my armour and a weekends worth of clothes and such on the bike without a problem. And I've worked out how to load a very simple, small wedge on it as well...though I will admit, I am considering a bike trailer.

Thing is, if I can get a period tent on THAT - there is no reason a similarly willed person couldn't do it in whatever vehicle you choose. its all about will and determination. Again, its completely cool and fine to say "I don't want to deal with the hassle" - but anything else is but a poor excuse for not WANTING to make the effort.

[Gobae]

Thing is, if I can get a period tent on THAT - there is no reason a similarly willed person couldn't do it in whatever vehicle you choose. its all about will and determination. Again, its completely cool and fine to say "I don't want to deal with the hassle" - but anything else is but a poor excuse for not WANTING to make the effort.

^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^

is exactly what we're saying.

[Charlotte J]

sorry but im gonna have to troll you on this XD

jeff must be a pixie in size to fit in a 14" round pavillion ROFLMAO!!!!

also that would explain why he could fit so much XD

She didn't say what the pavillion was for. She might have been bragging.

Jeff pitches a fourteen inch tent.

[Said ibn-Ali]

Thing is, if I can get a period tent on THAT - there is no reason a similarly willed person couldn't do it in whatever vehicle you choose. its all about will and determination. Again, its completely cool and fine to say "I don't want to deal with the hassle" - but anything else is but a poor excuse for not WANTING to make the effort.

^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^

is exactly what we're saying.

Wow lots of hate going on here over the fact that I said, that its not always financially or physically possible.

Some of us dont want to damage the car of our dreams, because the SCA is a hobby, a game, not my LIFE. My car is something I have wanted since I was 12, some of you would not understand that, because you are probably not a car person. You have never told a girlfriend that she ranked third in your life behind your car, and meant it.

Now does it mean, I dont want a period tent one day, no. I would love to have one, that is mine, I have used a friends before, and it was good. But I want one that is propper for my PERSONA. Yeah I am one of THOSE guys. My persona didnt sleep in a big round pavilion, or in some A frame tent. So I am in the research mode now, looking at designs, how to make one, and how to get it to fit in the truck now that I have one. WITH my girlfriends merchanting stuff now, but I have room for more. And when it becomes financially possible, I will start work on a period tent. Until then, I am sticking with my modern Coleman, which I use for trips to the beach, camping in the mountains, and for family outings in the woods.

In otherwords I am saying, back off. If you dont like it, tough ta-tas, you will have to suck it up and drive on, not everyone is WILLING to put forth the elitest effort that you are for 2 or 3 events a year.

[Ingvarr]

In otherwords I am saying, back off. If you dont like it, tough ta-tas, you will have to suck it up and drive on, not everyone is WILLING to put forth the elitest effort that you are for 2 or 3 events a year.

This is what it boils down to, and what people have been saying to you and others. For those who want to make the effort, they will figure out a way. Look at Woeg and his bike. A lot of people don't want to make the effort. Some of them say they don't want to make the effort. Some make excuses to try to justify it. Getting your panties in a bunch because people point out that lame excuses are lame, is pretty lame.

[Gobae]

So I am in the research mode now, looking at designs, how to make one, and how to get it to fit in the truck now that I have one

Then why all "it won't fit in my car" if you have a truck?

[Said ibn-Ali]

So I am in the research mode now, looking at designs, how to make one, and how to get it to fit in the truck now that I have one

Then why all "it won't fit in my car" if you have a truck?

The truck is a recent addition to my garage.

Thats why.

[Gobae]

The truck is a recent addition to my garage.

VERY recent. The post of the your car that can't fit a tent was on "Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:00 pm" and less than 24 hours later you have a truck you didn't (apparently) anticipate buying. Sounds like we were baited into replying to a nonexistent problem.

[Ceadda]

pretty sure the A frame has been in use from the Egyptians until um, today, for anyone that needed shelter for a night or more. I meants, its basically a blanket or a sail thrown over a support in its most basic form. Not every single Soldier, Warrior, Knight had an elaborate set up.

So...what is your persona? With the wealth of knowledge here on the AA, I'm certain there is someone that can assist you to the right style of tent.

But its my opinon that the a frame is never wrong.

[Said ibn-Ali]

The truck is a recent addition to my garage.

VERY recent. The post of the your car that can't fit a tent was on "Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:00 pm" and less than 24 hours later you have a truck you didn't (apparently) anticipate buying. Sounds like we were baited into replying to a nonexistent problem.

Perhaps I failed to mention that I am speaking for people who DONT have the means to do what I did, and buy a truck. I have had my truck for nearly a year, I have been with out a vehicle bigger than my Z, for 15 years. I have been in or around the SCA that length of time, I have gone years between events, so it didnt make sense to buy a pavilion.

And again, so there is no doubt in the back of your mind. I was speaking on BEHALF of people who dont, as in DO NOT, have the means nore the want to get a bigger tent or waste money on a 500-5000 dollar tent that MAY see the light of day once every 4 months if not less.

Dont attempt to "troll" me, because you dont want the kind of love this troll can return. So I would stop now while your ahead.

Good day sir!

[Said ibn-Ali]

pretty sure the A frame has been in use from the Egyptians until um, today, for anyone that needed shelter for a night or more. I meants, its basically a blanket or a sail thrown over a support in its most basic form. Not every single Soldier, Warrior, Knight had an elaborate set up.

So...what is your persona? With the wealth of knowledge here on the AA, I'm certain there is someone that can assist you to the right style of tent.

But its my opinon that the a frame is never wrong.

12th century West African Almohad.

I havent had much time to do much research on camping gear for them yet, as I am still doing research on fashion, armor, weapons, and tactics. I dont believe in a tertiary search of a subject, if I do research, I will exhaust all avenues before I move on. It took me 3 years to find most of what I have found on the armour and weapons of the culture during that time. And you know what I found out, they had some armour and weapons from Norman traders, and Arab traders from the middle east.

Cordoba Iberia (Al-Andulas) was a hot bed of trade, Jewish, European, African, Arab, and even some far eastern items made it there. I can find medical documents, food, clothing, even underwear, but VERY little on camping or field equipment.

So currently I am deciding to look more Arab with the tent type, which would be less of a A frame and more of a day shade setup with walls that can be attached if needed. For a Hollywood interpretation, look at the movie "Kingdom of Heaven" Saladins tent, is very much what I would guess at this point would be what I am looking for.

[Ingvarr]

Dont attempt to "troll" me, because you dont want the kind of love this troll can return. So I would stop now while your ahead.

Good day sir!

Ah hell. Shit just got real up in this thread.

[armorbug]

It's like listening to a group of ten year olds!

[Gobae]

Perhaps I failed to mention that I am speaking for people who DONT have the means to do what I did, and buy a truck.

Yup you sure DID! Had I know that I wouldn't have wasted my time looking for a roof rack solution.

[Ceadda]

500 seems like a lot

but then I have one of the smallest cars on the market, my set up cost less than 250, and I can stand up in it, or even share it with someone else.

[Gobae]

For a Hollywood interpretation, look at the movie "Kingdom of Heaven" Saladins tent, is very much what I would guess at this point would be what I am looking for.

Those had the really neat "cloth ropes" with wooden yolks at either end for the guy lines. Any idea if that was accurate?

[Said ibn-Ali]

500 seems like a lot

but then I have one of the smallest cars on the market, my set up cost less than 250, and I can stand up in it, or even share it with someone else.

Without making it myself 500 is about the cheapest I have found in a quick search. I am sure if I looked harder I could find cheaper. But it wouldnt sound right 250-5000, 500-5000 rolls off the tongue better.

[Woeg]

Just an FYI - no hate from me Just a perhaps overly complicated way of saying that "it's cool you don't want to find a way - but that doesn't mean there isn't one." And again, as I state above, but will bold here to be certain that my message is clear: It's totally cool to prefer using your modern tent. I used one for the first three years when I started this hobby.

The only thing I was pointing out is, that if you're going to buy a brand new modern tent at a cost greater than a period tent, don't use cost or transportation as an excuse, because it comes off as false. Plenty of us know better, plenty of us are proof that its not the case, and as it is within our organization's stated goals to make an attempt at pre-17th century life, closer to period is better than blatantly not period. There is nothing hostile in this statement, nor any hostility from the guy posting it - unless I've some devious alternate personality I am not aware of that's currently fuming.

I totally understand the dream car thing...but I will bet a pretty significant amount of money that, with a little time and effort, I could get my pavilion in your car without damaging a thing.

I also do a bit of non-event camping - my pavilion, strangely, works just as well for a beach/weekend in the mountains/family outings in modern clothes as it does for the SCA. In fact, my siblings, who think my medieval hobby is crazy, have borrowed my pavilion for such things, when they realized setting it up really wasn't much more work than their dome tents, and the comfort level far higher. Of course, such ease of setup isn't how it started initially. It took some innovation on my part, some research, some blatant theft of other people's really good ideas - but these days, I can put up my pavilion by myself in about an hour.

And frankly, if ya don't have an hour to spare on a weekend excursion to the outdoors... you're doing it wrong!

[MJBlazek]

Heres the thing... if you buy a plain canvas tent, you can use it to go modern camping AND medieval camping

[Said ibn-Ali]

Just an FYI - no hate from me Just a perhaps overly complicated way of saying that "it's cool you don't want to find a way - but that doesn't mean there isn't one." And again, as I state above, but will bold here to be certain that my message is clear: It's totally cool to prefer using your modern tent. I used one for the first three years when I started this hobby.

The only thing I was pointing out is, that if you're going to buy a brand new modern tent at a cost greater than a period tent, don't use cost or transportation as an excuse, because it comes off as false. Plenty of us know better, plenty of us are proof that its not the case, and as it is within our organization's stated goals to make an attempt at pre-17th century life, closer to period is better than blatantly not period. There is nothing hostile in this statement, nor any hostility from the guy posting it - unless I've some devious alternate personality I am not aware of that's currently fuming.

I totally understand the dream car thing...but I will bet a pretty significant amount of money that, with a little time and effort, I could get my pavilion in your car without damaging a thing.

I am not offended, or feeling like you are being hostile, I was getting a bit of a "challenging" attitude from another person, so I decided to end that with a quickness.

As for fitting more in that car. I doubt it. Granted I can and have fit A LOT in that car before. But a pavilion was not one of them. Now I may be able to fit my nieghbors arming pavilion in there, its only a 10ft. But sorry, my modern tent is cheaper, bigger, and lighter.

But as I said, when I am done with other research and projects I fully plan on working on a period tent. But for now, just not in the plans. My car comes first, and it is in the process of getting a new engine. Always in search of MORE POWER!

The order of priority for me is..
1-Roof over head
2-Food
3-Job(which feeds the first two)
4-The family
5-The Z
6-The girlfriend
7-The Frontier
8-My Garb
9-My Armor
10-My computer
11-My tent.

As you can see its pretty far down the list. This doesnt mean if I find a cheap fast nice way to do something that isnt going to fail in a year after 2 uses, then I will GLADDLY do it. But until then, seeing as I only camp at 2 events a year. Pennsic, and War of the Wings. I am not worried about it.

[Effingham]

Jeff pitches a fourteen inch tent.

I love you so much right now.

[Cap'n Atli]

Jeff pitches a fourteen inch tent.

I love you so much right now.

Aye, he's a real piker!

[Andrea Ferrara]

Jeff pitches a fourteen inch tent.

I love you so much right now.

Aye, he's a real piker!

wow
i feel bad for him
at that size hes either gonna faint from lack of blood in his head or hes a big guy

[Sasha_Khan]

Those had the really neat "cloth ropes" with wooden yolks at either end for the guy lines. Any idea if that was accurate?

Very.

[Andrea Ferrara]

im curious Sasha while we are on the kingdom of heaven topic, i know some of the fighting styles were accurate (including the heavy amounts of grappling fighting) was the movie more accurate then most movies you see? including the tents and whatnot

[Charlotte J]

Jeff pitches a fourteen inch tent.

I love you so much right now.

Not as much as I love him.

[Kelby]

You don't have to buy a brand new tent, you know?

I never understood the mentality of buying a brand new whatever when buying a well cared for used whatever would significantly decrease the cost of acquiring a suitable whatever. Especially when you know you have time to spend shopping around for exactly what you want at a price you know you will be happy to spend.

You could post a thread in the classifieds stating what you want and how much you are willing to spend and I guarantee you will be able to make a good deal. Just a thought.

[Charlotte J]

In otherwords I am saying, back off. If you dont like it, tough ta-tas, you will have to suck it up and drive on, not everyone is WILLING to put forth the elitest effort that you are for 2 or 3 events a year.

That's fine. Just say "it's not a priority". I could iron my bedsheets if I wanted to, I could make the time, but it's not a priority.

But all the same, when the rest of us are trying to figure out how to make a medieval event look a little more *ahem* medieval, be a sport, and work along with us instead of getting all up in arms about elitism and that you're being put down. Nobody expects every casual event goer to drop dough on a medieval tent. We do expect you to not call us elitist because we do.

[Sasha_Khan]

im curious Sasha while we are on the kingdom of heaven topic, i know some of the fighting styles were accurate (including the heavy amounts of grappling fighting) was the movie more accurate then most movies you see? including the tents and whatnot

While I have seen stills from KoH (specifically, the stills of tentage, since I am a pavilion and tent geek), I can't watch most Hollywood 'historical' films without getting VERY, VERY ANGRY.

Case in point: I am a Roman reenactor who has never watched Gladiator - other than the opening battle, as I heard that archery was (finally!) well-represented, and that the scutae were good...

[Ceadda]

Jeff pitches a fourteen inch tent.

I love you so much right now.

so when do I get to meet Jeff?

[Gawin]

Said, if you're who I think you are, I should introduce you to Jaume. He plays up here Durham and has been doing some research into N. African tents.

[Said ibn-Ali]

Said, if you're who I think you are, I should introduce you to Jaume. He plays up here Durham and has been doing some research into N. African tents.

Now that I am back from the defending St. Martins Shrine in Trimaris, (great event BTW), I will see about talking to him at baronial practice this weekend.

[Antonio]

Said, if you're who I think you are, I should introduce you to Jaume. He plays up here Durham and has been doing some research into N. African tents.

Until I saw the 'NC' bit on your user details, I was going to be all surprised at SCAdians we don't know here in Durham

Antonio
The Original Durham