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Re: Ways to deal with non period camps around in the SCA
Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:10 pm
by mdvlman
Thorgrimr,
Re: The side walls consist of three 6 foot by 9 foot panels sewn together to make two 27 foot by 9 foot panels
Would that not give you either 18x9 ft or 27x6 ft panels? I am guessing the 27x6 as that would create a roughly 6ft high sidewall.
Or did I miss something?
Re: Ways to deal with non period camps around in the SCA
Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:01 pm
by Thorgrimr
Nope- you caught something. I meant to say 27x6!

Re: Ways to deal with non period camps around in the SCA
Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:15 pm
by FrauHirsch1
Thorgrimr wrote:Robert- thanks for the tip! I didn't know that. I'll have to reinforce the bias-bias seams on the roof.
As for the wedge, it certainly IS much easier to make, and uses less cloth. I camp in one now, as a matter of fact. For my personal taste, though, I needs me some more useable space where I can stand! Lol! A square straight wall tent will do this admirably, and still look better than an earth pimple.
Absolutely! And someday we'll probably find one depicted...
Re: Ways to deal with non period camps around in the SCA
Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:59 am
by wAUrrior
Swete wrote:brewer wrote:
If you maintain open sight lines, people can look into your camp, even as you can look out. Where you shudder and groan inwardly at the sea of nylon, when they look in they see utter coolness. Soon you will spread the infection.
Bob
This is what happened to me. I was going to get a nylon pop up (and I still may for those tiny day trip events), but ever since I got squired and I saw the encampment that my knigh uses, I so want an Anglo-Saxon wedge tent now. I has been bit.

Hey Swete, sorry I missed you at Gulf Wars, did talk to Jorvik and saw my old helm. Anyway, you don't need a tent for a day trip. Cloak and a bag and a clear spot of ground. If it rains, that's period!
But to get back on topic....I went with a civil war A-frame that goes up in minutes by myself. It's three poles easily made small for transport. I got a larger one :7' high 9' wide and 9' long. But they make smaller ones. Check out Fall Creek Sutler. It's great for one person and is modifiable for viking look.
Re: Ways to deal with non period camps around in the SCA
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:04 pm
by William de Faleston
Well, thanks to Luther for starting this thread and Ceadda for the pics of his tent. I just used birthday money to order a A-frame tent from Fall Creek. No more land pimple and easyup for me. Now I need to make the polls . . . and buy a cot . . .
Re: Ways to deal with non period camps around in the SCA
Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 6:43 am
by Hrolfr
Thorgrimr, don't know about anyone else, but I would pay $5-10 for the plans if this works (ala Mad Matt's armor tutorials).
Just sayin'

Re: Ways to deal with non period camps around in the SCA
Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:36 pm
by William de Faleston
Re: Ways to deal with non period camps around in the SCA
Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:52 pm
by Derian le Breton
Very good, well done!
-Derian.
Re: Ways to deal with non period camps around in the SCA
Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:55 pm
by Derian le Breton
Gobae wrote:99% of everything there would be a "modern" object (having been made in 'modern' times). Hmmm.... so does that mean the SCA has no anachronisms?

I sometimes carry medieval coins in my pouch.
-Derian.
Re: Ways to deal with non period camps around in the SCA
Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 2:05 pm
by mordreth
Charlotte J wrote:I think sheet walls look like crap, just as bad as the pop ups, and they block the breeze. At Pennsic, generally we have enough tents to block the view of others. We also have some bamboo or some such other natural fencing that looks nice and provides a screen. We've also seen wattle fencing for sale occasionally, and if you had enough of that it would look really nice. You could make panels, and just transport them in pieces.
seriously?

Re: Ways to deal with non period camps around in the SCA
Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 5:59 pm
by Gobae
Sheet walls for Asian encampments would actually be close to period correct since they were sometimes used to segregate warriors of different rank. Unfortunately, it's also easy to do them poorly too and thus making the encampment look like a laundry.
Re: Ways to deal with non period camps around in the SCA
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:04 am
by Ceadda
Re: Ways to deal with non period camps around in the SCA
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:16 am
by asbrand
No... THIS is a "bad" sheet wall. Pennsic. Circa 1991-1997 (can't remember which one exactly). Random group camp I took a photo of.

Re: Ways to deal with non period camps around in the SCA
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:21 am
by Emeryk
What a defiling of two perfectly good trees.
Re: Ways to deal with non period camps around in the SCA
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:24 pm
by Snaebjorn inn Danski Hakonarson
mordreth wrote:Charlotte J wrote:I think sheet walls look like crap, just as bad as the pop ups, and they block the breeze. At Pennsic, generally we have enough tents to block the view of others. We also have some bamboo or some such other natural fencing that looks nice and provides a screen. We've also seen wattle fencing for sale occasionally, and if you had enough of that it would look really nice. You could make panels, and just transport them in pieces.
seriously?

Yama Kaminari has put massive work into their entire encampment. The sheet walland their taiko drums were always such fun to help get in place when I camped there. All be it I was camping with the other household that shares that block. Been about 7 years since I was in that camp.
Gets more impressive each year to see from what I understand.
Re: Ways to deal with non period camps around in the SCA
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:29 pm
by Maeryk
Yes, Yummy Calamari gets better every year.
Hell, we have a house, a boat, and a shower trailer. Who needs a sheet wall?
dunno if this will link here.. but..

Best way to encourage upgrades to tents
Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:33 pm
by Corby de la Flamme
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this.
The best way I know of to encourage people to upgrade from any mundane tent is to camp in full sun, in summer, with no trees around. Unless someone loves getting up every single morning a few minutes after dawn, they will lust for white canvas very quickly.
Vair & Ermine used to have a significant nylon ghetto, maybe 5-7 tents. These days, not so much.
Re: Ways to deal with non period camps around in the SCA
Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:12 pm
by Amanda M
I think as soon as one or two people in a group buy them, it doesn't take long for everyone else to want one too. It's a lot easier to get them for a decent price now too.
Re: Ways to deal with non period camps around in the SCA
Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:49 pm
by Denewulf
We camp on the corner between East Royal and Yama Kamaniri; the only thing that ever bothers us is the end of war karaoke/sing alongs or whatever is going on over there, and only because it's blatantly modern stuff - this year it was 80's night or something. Was just a little distracting when Kriegsturm was doing our end of war sumbel to have to listen to a very loud crowd singing 'celebrate good times' (mind you, we don't expect people to change anything because we're doing our own thing in our camp, just observing that the blatant modern stuff kinda kills it at times; we've always dug their drum sessions

).
Re: Ways to deal with non period camps around in the SCA
Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:51 pm
by Tibbie Croser
I agree that sheet walls can be done well or badly. I've seen some that are very artistic and creative. I also appreciate the heraldic sheet walls, such as those around the royal encampments. It's a good way to add color. I've realized that because we moderns are usually limited to white canvas even for historically accurate tents, our tents are seldom as colorful as those in period illustrations.
One idea for sheet walls: I've seen online quilting fabrics that imitate the look of weathered brick or stone.
Re: Ways to deal with non period camps around in the SCA
Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:57 pm
by Maeryk
Someone up near the left hand parking area (go up past sharc pit above the North Gate and keep going) had an awesome sheet wall. I twas on the right, past the second set of portajohns.. beyond GNA.. it was just.. stone walls.. with crenellations and windows painted on it, and, apparently, the people of the group, painted into the windows. Very well done, very cute, and not terribly jarring.
i was quite amused at 7AM going to get the car to get the hell out of dodge.
Re: Ways to deal with non period camps around in the SCA
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:56 pm
by Thorgrimr
Hrolfr wrote:Thorgrimr, don't know about anyone else, but I would pay $5-10 for the plans if this works (ala Mad Matt's armor tutorials).
Just sayin'

That gives me some reason to finish the damn thing! Lol!
Re: Ways to deal with non period camps around in the SCA
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:07 pm
by Charlotte J
mordreth wrote:Charlotte J wrote:I think sheet walls look like crap, just as bad as the pop ups, and they block the breeze. At Pennsic, generally we have enough tents to block the view of others. We also have some bamboo or some such other natural fencing that looks nice and provides a screen. We've also seen wattle fencing for sale occasionally, and if you had enough of that it would look really nice. You could make panels, and just transport them in pieces.
seriously?

Ok, I'm going to revise my statement slightly. 99% of sheet walls look like crap. These look nice and neat, and the comment about sheet walls being period for Japanese camps is intriguing. Did the period sheet walls look anything like these, though?
The actual reason I'm revising my statement is that Will McLean dug up some images of "sheet walls" that could be done at somewhere like Pennsic. It would be interesting to try.
Re: Ways to deal with non period camps around in the SCA
Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:23 am
by Robert of Canterbury
And Sheet walls are very possibly wholly correct (at least for 16thC Italians,)
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Re: Ways to deal with non period camps around in the SCA
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 4:07 pm
by mordreth
Charlotte J wrote:mordreth wrote:Charlotte J wrote:I think sheet walls look like crap, just as bad as the pop ups, and they block the breeze. At Pennsic, generally we have enough tents to block the view of others. We also have some bamboo or some such other natural fencing that looks nice and provides a screen. We've also seen wattle fencing for sale occasionally, and if you had enough of that it would look really nice. You could make panels, and just transport them in pieces.
seriously?

Ok, I'm going to revise my statement slightly. 99% of sheet walls look like crap. These look nice and neat, and the comment about sheet walls being period for Japanese camps is intriguing. Did the period sheet walls look anything like these, though?
The actual reason I'm revising my statement is that Will McLean dug up some images of "sheet walls" that could be done at somewhere like Pennsic. It would be interesting to try.
The clan's documentation on them is pretty solid (said one of the few gaijin members

)
Re: Ways to deal with non period camps around in the SCA
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:33 pm
by Amanda M
As with many things in the SCA, I think it is more of a question of doing them well vs doing them badly.