short italian hairstyles?

[Broadway]

Say... late 14th cent, early 15th cent... Italy-ish...

Where there any extremely short hairstyles that were popular (asside from bald)?

Or did everybody have long-ish curly hair you see so much in Renaissance Portraits...

If so, do you have pictures?

[Broadway]

Nuthin?

[Saritor]

Trying to find some documentation when work's not insane.

FWIW, I'm fairly certain that late 14th/early 15th C. hairstyles were short hair being "in", with bowl cuts and bobs (aka Prince Valiant's hairstyle) being popular. Ear- and shoulder-length stuff. Also, tonsures and severe bowl cuts.

Just not finding portraits or documentation that isn't Spanish (since that's what's in my library for hairstyles 1400-1650ish.)

[Karen Larsdatter]

Check out the murals at Castello Buonconsiglio (go to http://larsdatter.com/booksofhours.htm to find links to these; I can try to find more detailed views, if there's one you'd like to see in better detail) and Runkelstein Castle (see http://www.runkelstein.info/runkelstein_en/history.asp for some of them, others are online elsewhere).

[Russ Mitchell]

I'm not a courtly-culture specialist, but I had it from a gal who was that in the 14c, short hair was associated with priests, old people, and folks who were "severe" in one fashion or another, as opposed to the long-hair, tight-fit-clothed "young beautiful people" of the court.

[Tailoress]

Dante, if you have access to any of the extant Tacuinum Sanitatis manuscripts, there are a ton of pictures of men (and their hairstyles). They're mostly dated to between 1390-1400, northern Italy. Print books in which you can find those pictures are The Four Seasons of the House of Cerruti and The Medieval Health Handbook.

[Karen Larsdatter]

Dante, if you have access to any of the extant Tacuinum Sanitatis manuscripts, there are a ton of pictures of men (and their hairstyles). They're mostly dated to between 1390-1400, northern Italy.

Two of the Tacuinum Sanitatis manuscripts are online at BNF Mandragore. To get to them:

• Go to http://mandragore.bnf.fr/jsp/rechercheExperte.jsp
• In the box marked "Cote", enter in either Latin 9333 or Nouvelle acquisition latine 1673
• Click "Chercher"
• When the next page loads, click "Images"

BNF Latin 9333 is from 15th century Germany, and BNF Nouvelle acquisition latine 1673 is from Pavia or Milan, c. 1390-1400.

Illustrations from another Tacuinum Sanitatis manuscript (Österreichischen Nationalbibliothek Codex Vindobonensis series nova 2644) are available through the Réunion de musées nationaux; in the blank marked "Texte libre," just enter the word Tacuinum and then click on the button that says "Rechercher."

[Tailoress]

I am waaaaayyy too old skool. Thank God for Karen!

[Karen Larsdatter]

I am waaaaayyy too old skool. Thank God for Karen!

<a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0816001383?ie=UTF8&tag=suggestion-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0816001383">The Four Seasons of the House of Cerruti</a> is good (doesn't it have a translation of the text, or am I mis-remembering that?) -- and while it's somewhat hard to find, it looks like there's a few copies on eBay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0118150638
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0172191381
The manuscript it's based on is the aforementioned Österreichischen Nationalbibliothek Codex Vindobonensis series nova 2644.

<a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0807612774?ie=UTF8&tag=suggestion-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0807612774">The Medieval Health Handbook</a> discusses & compares some of the extant manuscripts (including all three of the ones I'd linked to).

There's yet another edition that seems to be in print (and just $28.63 on Amazon) -- <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0954901436?ie=UTF8&tag=suggestion-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0954901436">Tacuinum Sanitatis: An Early Renaissance Guide to Health</a> -- but it's from a mid-15th century Paduan manuscript.

[Broadway]

BTW, thanks for all the links and such.

It helped a bunch.

[Mac]

Dante,

You might also check out the early 15th c. hair styles in the Gaston Phoebus hunting book. I have the printed version called.....

Medieval Hunting Scenes ("The Hunting Book" by Gaston Phoebus),
Text by Gabriel Bise after Gaston Phoebus
Translation by J.Peter Tallon
Liber SA,Fribourg-Geneve,
1978

....There are several different styles depicted. Most are variants of "page boys" and "bowl" cuts. Some have bangs, some are parted, some have the hair combed back like 15thc "greasers". In all cases, the hair is relatively short, and doesn't reach the collar in back.

I think the MS is online from the BN in Paris, but I am far too much the Luddite to be able to supply the URL.


Another good source is a book called..

Illuminated Manuscripts, Tristan and Isolde,
text by Gabbriel Bise,
Liber SA Fribourg-Geneve
1978/1986

....It is based on the early 15th c. Ms.2537 in the Austrian National Library in Vienna. It shows about the same range of hair styles as the hunting book, but with a greater emphasis on severe bowl cuts.

Mac

[Karen Larsdatter]

You might also check out the early 15th c. hair styles in the Gaston Phoebus hunting book. I have the printed version called.....

Medieval Hunting Scenes ("The Hunting Book" by Gaston Phoebus),
Text by Gabriel Bise after Gaston Phoebus
Translation by J.Peter Tallon
Liber SA,Fribourg-Geneve,
1978

....There are several different styles depicted. Most are variants of "page boys" and "bowl" cuts. Some have bangs, some are parted, some have the hair combed back like 15thc "greasers". In all cases, the hair is relatively short, and doesn't reach the collar in back.

I think the MS is online from the BN in Paris, but I am far too much the Luddite to be able to supply the URL.

You can still find <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fs%3Fie%3DUTF8%26ref%255F%3Dnb%255Fss%255Fgw%26field-keywords%3Dmedieval%2520hunting%2520scenes%26url%3Dsearch-alias%253Daps&tag=suggestion-20&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=390957">used copies of that on Amazon</a>, though I seem to remember seeing a newer edition of it as well.

Several of the manuscripts of this book are online now. http://classes.bnf.fr/phebus/ features BNF Fr. 616 (which is the one that most people think of when they think of this particular book, really; it's from Paris, beginning of the 15th century) but also has some of BNF Fr. 619, which is from late 14th century Avignon.

You can use the Mandragore instructions I posted up-thread and search for Français 619 or Français 616.

Then over at the Morgan, there's M.1044, which is another manuscript of the same book, also from Paris, c. 1407. They've got a zoomable page at http://www.themorgan.org/collections/co ... .asp?id=86 or you can use Corsair to navigate through the illustrations. Corsair often has good details of specific illustrations, if you don't want to just see the whole page.

Another good source is a book called..

Illuminated Manuscripts, Tristan and Isolde,
text by Gabbriel Bise,
Liber SA Fribourg-Geneve
1978/1986

....It is based on the early 15th c. Ms.2537 in the Austrian National Library in Vienna. It shows about the same range of hair styles as the hunting book, but with a greater emphasis on severe bowl cuts.

Hmm. A lot of things from the Austrian National Library are at REALonline, too, but this doesn't appear to be. (But this edition is also <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fs%3Fie%3DUTF8%26ref%255F%3Dnb%255Fss%255Fb%26field-keywords%3DIlluminated%2520Manuscripts%252C%2520Tristan%2520and%2520Isolde%26url%3Dsearch-alias%253Dstripbooks&tag=suggestion-20&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=390957">available on Amazon</a>.)

[Adriano]

I wonder how they dealt with male pattern baldness. Of course, most of the male figures you see in medieval pictures are wearing a hat or coif.

[chef de chambre]

I wonder how they dealt with male pattern baldness. Of course, most of the male figures you see in medieval pictures are wearing a hat or coif.

When Phillip the Godd lost his hair due to illness, his steward had all his courtiers shave their heads - and several enthusiastic supporters chased down and forcebly shaved the heads of the few unwilling to comply.

People wore hats universally, excepting indoors not being the master of a house, in church not being a lord of the church, or being in the presence of a superior, excepting being under arms.

[Mac]

Dante,

I just now noticed the adjective "Italian" in your original request. My suggestions may not be appropriate for what you are doing. I should read more carefully before I start typing....

Mac