The Armour Archive

Fall Crown List, 2009


-Count Sir Angus Mac Owein fighting for Countess Meaghan Arsmith

-Viscount Sir Caillin Macleod fighting for Viscountess Danielle de la Roche

-Sir Uric Blackoak fighting for Mistress Margot du Bois

-Sir Ashikaga Hiromoto fighting for THL Ashikaga Kimiko

-Sir Jon the Tall fighting for Lady Beatrix de Montecassino

-Sir James the Holy fighting for Lady Joan of Ooc

-Baron Grimbaldus Bacon fighting for Baroness Bethany Bacon

-Baron Fergus O'Kelly fighting for Mistress Rosalind bint Mihrimah

-THL John of Widcomb fighting for Baroness Anna Genevieve of Ancyra

-Lord Settimio d' Olivio fighting for Aureliana Avitta

-Lord Randal de Tancresleia fighting for Lady Sugihara no Naome

-Lord Inigo Lewis Domingo Montoya de Castile fighting for THL Deborah of
Haleshaven

Wow small but heavy.

I had thought Duke Radu was going to be in this one - I guess not. His absense really throws this one open.

I think the leading three would be Sir Ashi, Sir Jon and Count Aengus (in that order, but close).

I wouldn't rule out an upset win by Viscount Caillin, Sir James, or Sir Uric.

Not sure any of the others can make it through the gauntlet, but I am curious to see how far Lord Settimio gets, as he has been fighting very well.

my 2 cents,
Caedmon

Caedmon wrote:I had thought Duke Radu was going to be in this one - I guess not. His absense really throws this one open.

I think the leading three would be Sir Ashi, Sir Jon and Count Aengus (in that order, but close).

I wouldn't rule out an upset win by Viscount Caillin, Sir James, or Sir Uric.

Not sure any of the others can make it through the gauntlet, but I am curious to see how far Lord Settimio gets, as he has been fighting very well.

my 2 cents,
Caedmon

Well, Duchess Broinnfinn and I submitted our letter, but Their Majesty's decided that our participation was not in the best interest of the Kingdom at this time.

Radu
Duke Gleann Abhann

How anyone can say that a duke should not participate in crown is beyond me.

Ludicrous

Blackoak is the dude on the AA right?

Count Johnathan wrote:How anyone can say that a duke should not participate in crown is beyond me.

Ludicrous

Last I checked it was the right of the Crown to deny entry to any, as they saw fit.

Not for me to determine whether or not Their Majesties reasons are "reasonable".

Black Oak is the AA guy.

Interesting list and really like Jon and Aengus in this one. Hate to say I don't know Ashi to have an opinion on him.

Vebrand

Woooo!

Go Blackoak!!!!

I agree but as an outsider I see it as punishment. It is the crowns right however every time a person is held out especially if it is someone who has done the job before I find it ludicrous. Doesn't matter what kingdom it is.

I could have held people out of my list but I didn't and I don't feel others should either.

I feel that if a person is allowed to participate in the SCA then they should be allowed to fight in crown. There are other methods of punishment that can be administered.

This is my personal opinion however with no knowledge of the specific situation.

Nobody is being judged by me I just find holding folks out of crown in general to be ludicrous.

Caedmon - I thought you'd be fighting as well

Radu - WTF, he's holding out the First King and Queen of the Kingdom? did you get a reason (I realize and respect that the crown doesn't have to give a reason - but my curiosity has a hold of me)

Given the situation -

Aengus and Caillan in the finals

THL John Widcomb as the Dark horse.


-Ulrich

Violen wrote:Blackoak is the dude on the AA right?

Several combatants are on the AA

Black Oak
Big John (aka John the tall)
John Widcomb (aka Big John)
James the Holy

Regards,
Ulrich

Ulrich wrote:Caedmon - I thought you'd be fighting as well

Radu - WTF, he's holding out the First King and Queen of the Kingdom? did you get a reason (I realize and respect that the crown doesn't have to give a reason - but my curiosity has a hold of me)

Given the situation -

Aengus and Caillan in the finals

THL John Widcomb as the Dark horse.


-Ulrich

Their Majesties did send us an email detailing Their reasons. I think it would be best if that question were directed to Their Majesties.

As always, we acknowledge the prerogative of the Crown to determine the competitors of Their list. Had we felt we were unable to fulfill the demands of the list, we would not have submitted a letter. However, in this case, Their Majesties disagreed, as is Their Right. They indicated a desire that we should wait until the Spring, and so we shall.

Broinnfinn
Duchess Gleann Abhann

Ulrich wrote:Caedmon - I thought you'd be fighting as well

-Ulrich

I plan to fight again in the spring list.

Caedmon

Caedmon - Excellent!

Bri - You are correct your Grace, it was imprudent of me to ask. My apologies.

Regards,
Ulrich

Looking at my last statement I didn't want it to seem like I discarded some of the guys who I really like. I just see the swamp ape (Aengus) verusu the Bigfoot (Jon) as the fight I like. Ashi has done real well in tourneys and is a top-level fighter from all I have heard.

Callian is a great fighter and beat me in the finals of the coronet he won.

Uric is a flying monkey (go look at the pictures)

James the holy I just don't know but Jon and Marvin have said nothing but good about him.

John Widcomb has always been very solid

Vebrand

Sooo... who's gonna call for Dark Apprentice? I did it last time

TaoOfKim

She's only has 4 posts but she knows the routine!



-John

John Widcombe wrote:She's only has 4 posts but she knows the routine!



-John

DA's "predictions" are pretty much the REASON I have a user name on here if nothing else they're amusing...
Good luck to all the Combatants, it should be a fun day!
Kimiko

As a friend to many of Gleann Abhann, I am looking at the lyst and say wow. So many I have grown to know and respect from my many trips down to Gulf Wars are showing up in the lyst. Good luck to all.

Hanko
Formerly of East Kingdom and a member of the Clan Marshin Fayne

Dark Apprentice, Dark Apprentice, Dark Apprentice!

There ya go chicken.

Uric

Kinda surprising alot of the usual suspects are not in this time around,kinda figured with GA 5th year rolling up we'd have seen more in it.




James

I think a lot of you are underestimating Lord Inigo Lewis Domingo Montoya de Castile.
From what I understand, he is HIGHLY motivated,.........




Someone killed his father.

[quote="holyone"]Kinda surprising alot of the usual suspects are not in this time around,kinda figured with GA 5th year rolling up we'd have seen more in it.



Well, NOT fighting in this one leaves you open to fight in the next one for Crown at Gulf Wars 20th Year...

Kimiko

holyone wrote:Kinda surprising alot of the usual suspects are not in this time around,kinda figured with GA 5th year rolling up we'd have seen more in it.

James

Spring Crown winner will be King for GW 20, so I think that some are gunning for that. That and mundane & economic issues are affecting others.

Should still be a fun list.

Uric

sean of the chipendales wrote:I think a lot of you are underestimating Lord Inigo Lewis Domingo Montoya de Castile.
From what I understand, he is HIGHLY motivated,.........




Someone killed his father.

All six fingerd men should fear for there lives.

THE MONKEY MUST COME OUT!!!!


Go Uric!!!!

still no DA odds?

running outta time on this one...

You two will have better odds if you fight me together.

Or maybe I can fight John while on James' shoulders. That vertically fair!

Uric

Hey James, look like the Monkey is wanting some pick ups afterwards a lil 2 one 1 huh? lol

Blackoak wrote:You two will have better odds if you fight me together.

Or maybe I can fight John while on James' shoulders. That vertically fair!

Uric

Great - Master Blaster.

Caedmon

holyone wrote:still no DA odds?

OK- Dark Squire odds will have to do.

Sir Ashi:4-1
Count Aengus: 5-1
Sir Jon the Tall: 5-1
Viscount Caillin: 6-1
Sir Uric: 8-1
Sir James: 8-1
THL John of Widcombe: 25-1
Lord Settimio: 50-1
All others: 100-1

Caedmon

I am NOT the Darkest (but fairly dim)

broinnfinn wrote:

Ulrich wrote:Caedmon - I thought you'd be fighting as well

Radu - WTF, he's holding out the First King and Queen of the Kingdom? did you get a reason (I realize and respect that the crown doesn't have to give a reason - but my curiosity has a hold of me)

Given the situation -

Aengus and Caillan in the finals

THL John Widcomb as the Dark horse.


-Ulrich

Their Majesties did send us an email detailing Their reasons. I think it would be best if that question were directed to Their Majesties.

As always, we acknowledge the prerogative of the Crown to determine the competitors of Their list. Had we felt we were unable to fulfill the demands of the list, we would not have submitted a letter. However, in this case, Their Majesties disagreed, as is Their Right. They indicated a desire that we should wait until the Spring, and so we shall.

Broinnfinn
Duchess Gleann Abhann

wow... i am speechless. Deny the right to fighters to enter a Crown Tourney? That's ludicrous. Why don't you just hand it over to your friend right away and be done with it.
This is the kind of shit that usually happens in Iran, or Africa. Terrible. Absolutely terrible.

EDIT:
Broinnfinn: NO it is NOT their right to deny you to compete.

I just came back from a little trip, and realized that this enfuriates me more than I thought. This is a move straight from Khamenei's playbook. "Yeah you can rule, but only if what you think is best is the same as what I think is best". American troops are out fighting exactly so this kind of shit doesn't happen. Cronyism is wrong, it makes a farce of the whole "King by Right of Arms" deal.

Horrendous. Simply horrendous.

kaiö wrote:

broinnfinn wrote:

Ulrich wrote:Caedmon - I thought you'd be fighting as well

Radu - WTF, he's holding out the First King and Queen of the Kingdom? did you get a reason (I realize and respect that the crown doesn't have to give a reason - but my curiosity has a hold of me)

Given the situation -

Aengus and Caillan in the finals

THL John Widcomb as the Dark horse.


-Ulrich

Their Majesties did send us an email detailing Their reasons. I think it would be best if that question were directed to Their Majesties.

As always, we acknowledge the prerogative of the Crown to determine the competitors of Their list. Had we felt we were unable to fulfill the demands of the list, we would not have submitted a letter. However, in this case, Their Majesties disagreed, as is Their Right. They indicated a desire that we should wait until the Spring, and so we shall.

Broinnfinn
Duchess Gleann Abhann

wow... i am speechless. Deny the right to fighters to enter a Crown Tourney? That's ludicrous. Why don't you just hand it over to your friend right away and be done with it.
This is the kind of shit that usually happens in Iran, or Africa. Terrible. Absolutely terrible.

EDIT:
Broinnfinn: NO it is NOT their right to deny you to compete.

I just came back from a little trip, and realized that this enfuriates me more than I thought. This is a move straight from Khamenei's playbook. "Yeah you can rule, but only if what you think is best is the same as what I think is best". American troops are out fighting exactly so this kind of shit doesn't happen. Cronyism is wrong, it makes a farce of the whole "King by Right of Arms" deal.

Horrendous. Simply horrendous.

Actually it is their "right" to do this. Whether it is the best decision or not is open to interpretation.

However, perhaps you should first realign your thoughts. The SCA is not just America. It is not based upon the principles of American Freedoms. If you recall the United States of America fought a war to become independant of Royalty so therefore to rant about American Soldiers being out in the world fighting to prevent "this kind of shit" has no meaning.

The SCA plays at recreating Medieval culture and times, that includes Royalty and Royal prerogative.

And again the SCA encompases many more countries than the US. Or have you fogotten the Many Kingdoms that include countries other than the US.

Drachenwald
Lochac
An Tir
The West Kingdom
Northshield
Ealdormere
Middle
The East Kingdom

So 8 of the 19 Kingdoms have either Parts or are Entirely NON American.

By the way in no way does this say whether I agree with the decision it just says that they DO have the right and it has NOTHING to do with American soldiers fighting in Foreign wars.

regards
Thorvaldr