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For the life of me I can't remember what a behind the back thrust in fencing is called. Any of you folks remember?

bkillian wrote:For the life of me I can't remember what a behind the back thrust in fencing is called. Any of you folks remember?

I call it bloody ignorant! Do you mean the neuvieme?

I call it normal for those backstabbing, gay coward, wire weilding, doublet donning cupcakes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Oh, I forgot whining.































Just kidding!!

I have teenaged students who would paste you right off the face of the earth!

Yes yes yes.........I know......you start their training at a young age.
So do'es the Catholic church..........

so they will be "Alejondro's army of alter boy choir-wire weenies"



















Once again in jest........(whispers) cause its jest true...

Oooops,.......I really was just kidding, oh, and razzing the good Baron. Didnt mean to scare anyone away.......

sean of the chipendales wrote:Oooops,.......I really was just kidding, oh, and razzing the good Baron. Didnt mean to scare anyone away.......

MORE MORE MORE!!!!!

sean of the chipendales wrote:Yes yes yes.........I know......you start their training at a young age.
So do'es the Catholic church..........

so they will be "Alejondro's army of alter boy choir-wire weenies"

No matter how many times you ask, Sean, the answer is still 'no'. NO TOUCH BAD TOUCH!

"Disarm after the parade on the outside of the sword." According to Angelo.

F. Braun McAsh use to do this sometimes to show up the young punks...he modified it to use dagger in the off hand instead of a full disarm.

One of my cadets has three times try to use it in a tournament. It worked once...which was the one time he was able to complete the action without bursting out laughing first.

Do you mean the move on the cover of this?:

http://revival.us/artofdueling-salvator ... s1606.aspx

I've used it a couple of times- it never seemed to me to really be a "behind the back" move, more of an exaggerated void of the left foot. It can work against an aggressive charge, as it takes you way offline, but if the opponent is able to stop in time it leaves you vulnerable. YMMV

Of course, I can't remember what he called it, and my manual seems to have hidden on me...

Dauyd wrote:Do you mean the move on the cover of this?:

http://revival.us/artofdueling-salvator ... s1606.aspx

I've used it a couple of times- it never seemed to me to really be a "behind the back" move, more of an exaggerated void of the left foot. It can work against an aggressive charge, as it takes you way offline, but if the opponent is able to stop in time it leaves you vulnerable. YMMV

Of course, I can't remember what he called it, and my manual seems to have hidden on me...

No, that's a different move. Inquatarta or scansa della vita, or with a lesser turn, the scanso della pied ...firm. Whatever that is in Italian, I forget.

The behind the back thing only appears with smallsword. You can't really do it with anything longer.

Do you mean the scansa de pie dritto, iomtalach? (Am I even remembering the right name for that?...)

Baron Alejandro wrote:Do you mean the scansa de pie dritto, iomtalach? (Am I even remembering the right name for that?...)

Scanso del pie dritto. Capoferro uses that term, as well as the scanso della vita. Fabris names identical techniques the girata of the left or right foot.

Its called the "Scewer Dejour". Cause if you turn your back on me, that is what I am going to do.

InsaneIrish wrote:Its called the "Scewer Dejour". Cause if you turn your back on me, that is what I am going to do.

Are you referring to the cover picture on the Leoni book? The girata of the left foot (so named in Fabris), done in the correct context and in tempo, is a very useful technique that leaves you very safe upon completion. I have used it dozens of times in tournament settings and, while I have occasionally missed my target, I cannot recall a time where I was struck during its execution.

Dante di Pietro wrote:Are you referring to the cover picture on the Leoni book? The girata of the left foot (so named in Fabris), done in the correct context and in tempo, is a very useful technique that leaves you very safe upon completion. I have used it dozens of times in tournament settings and, while I have occasionally missed my target, I cannot recall a time where I was struck during its execution.

not specifically, I was more making light of turning your back on your opponent. As a general rule it is not a good idea.

It's not a matter of turning your back. From Angelo:


http://www.fencingonline.com/swashbucklers/Angelo%20%20@%2025%250007.JPG