With all the talk about japanese armour latley...

[Armourkris]

i thought i;d ask a question.
it osunds as though some of hte people here have fought in it before, what i'm wandering is this, am i the only one who constantly has the freaking sode(shoulder armour) fall forward?
they kepe on sliding forward so they hand infront of my arms instead of on them, really kinda defeats the purpose.

anyone else have this problem? and if sp how did ou get around it?

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What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee:

[Greyholt]

Hi!
To avoid this problem, the Japanese used lacings that ran from the back edge of each Sode (shoulder guard) to an ornate knot called an Agemaki. The Agemaki was tied to a ring affixed to the center of the backplate. These were very efficient and rather pretty.
Check out any book on Japanese armour, You'll see what I'm talking about. What's cool about Japanese armour is the fact that it's very well documented (it doesn't hurt that they made this stuff up until the 18th century!


Hope this helped....

.............Greyholt

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"Brace yourself Captain; the area of penetration will no doubt be sensitive.".........Mr. Spock.

[Armourkris]

i was thinking of putting one of those thingys on.
but i was under the impression that they faded away as those nifty little flag thingys came into vougue(cant remember what they're called)

if i can legitimetly get away with that then i think i may try it

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What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee:

[Greyholt]

Hi, actually they were mostly used with the older style armours that had the very large Sode (O-Sode). The smaller Sode of the later periods didn't need them, but the knot was kept on in some cases as decoration.
How are your Sode attached? Typically there are two points of attachment at the top. If they're small, this should prevent them from falling forward.

Hope this helps.............Greyholt

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"Brace yourself Captain; the area of penetration will no doubt be sensitive.".........Mr. Spock.

[The Lost Scott]

I can't remember where I saw it at but sometimes a toggle wase put on to the kote and attatched to the bottom of the sode. My lameller has large shoulder boards similar to sode I attatched them at 3 points the front the back the middle and have a leather cord around the bicep they work quite well.

LS

[Armourkris]

they are laced onto the shoulder straps at 2 points.
i was looking closley at the problem earlier this afternoon, namley when i re-laces my back plate*grrr busted lacing* and realised that a largeish portion of my problem is the curvature of the top few lames, the way it sits compared to the shoulder strap doesnt allow the back to get decently tightned so i have a bunch of slack on the back that i think is causing them to slump forward. i;m gona try and re-curve a few of the lames tonight. hopefully it'll help. the big chalenge is doing it without having to re-lace the sode.

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What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee:

[yoshimitsu]

I had the same problem. I found that it was the position I had them conecting at. You may also want to consider putting a small loop to go around your arm.(you can hid it under on of the lames of the sode.) This will hold it to your arm. Not period but very effective for SCA combat. And by the way, the flag "thingy" is called a sashimono sp?



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HIDEYOSHI YOSHIMITSU NO KAMI
live long enuf to win the fight

[Lochlainn]

You spelled it correctly. It's the flag worn on the back as identification.

I've seen sode connected directly to the shoulder straps of the do with two toggles, one on the top of the shoulder and one further back; it makes the sode naturally rest over the arms, and prevents it from rocking forward off of the shoulder onto the chest by turning on the toggle.

I personally think an arm loop is a pretty good way to go.