Pas D' Arms kit?

Rainald · Post by **Rainald** » Sun Feb 03, 2002 10:11 pm

So is there a â€œStandardâ€

Brennus · Post by **Brennus** » Sun Feb 03, 2002 10:20 pm

There is no Standard kit. Most Tourney Companies recreate the 14th or 15th century any armour that was used in that period would certainly be acceptable. Certain things like steel legs are nice but if splint legs are more appropriate for your period then wear them. As to helms and body armour well there are a wealth of both types during these periods.

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Uryen · Post by **Uryen** » Sun Feb 03, 2002 11:53 pm

Specific rules are up to whoever is running it, so they can vary. Generally however, as long as youve got no visable plastic, and have a realistic period kit then youll be fine.

knoch · Post by **knoch** » Mon Feb 04, 2002 12:39 pm

I have been to A few Pas and there is usually A theme to them. The first one I went to was based on Autherian Legends. Then another one was Based on Heratio at the bridge. You dont need to have a great kit Just have fun and let the Gallery know it to.

from Knoch

SyrRhys · Post by **SyrRhys** » Mon Feb 04, 2002 8:12 pm

One of the things that has really bothered me about all of the passages of arms we've held is that some folks feel as though they shouldn't participate unless they have a perfect harness. Setting aside the fact that none of us (well, almost none; I know a few, but I'm sure not one!) have perfect harnesses, I'd still rather have people participate. My hope is that by fighting in our events the comers with inauthentic harnesses will be pushed to upgrade their kits because they had so much fun and wanted to fit in better. Instead, many folks walk away just thinking they can't play. It's too bad.

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sarnac · Post by **sarnac** » Mon Feb 04, 2002 9:35 pm

I always thought that the Pas community tried to reflect the feel and flavor of the later period tourneys....however....
and please correct me if I am wrong here....

but werent many tourneys themed and attended with "fantasy" armour for the period?

Such as attending a Passage of arms in a greek or roman style harness....
Or dressing up as a mythical figure such as Tyr or Odin or other well known deities??

If so could'nt you attend as this type of "character"?

Brennus · Post by **Brennus** » Mon Feb 04, 2002 9:48 pm

Yes there were many fantasy Tourneys ranging from Roman reenactments to Arthurian legand, to pure Fantasy land with giants and dragons. I think however these were more specialty tourneys not the average run of your mill thing

While these would be nice to reenact every once in awhile I dont think just showing up as a fantasy character would have been the norm although I think I recall one knight showing up to random Tourneys dressed as a woman and fighting in some of my research.

Trevor · Post by **Trevor** » Tue Feb 05, 2002 8:59 pm

Also, the "costumed" tourneys didn't typically have any special armor to them until the 16th century or so. I've seen lots of pictures of "costumed" tourneyers who wore their field harnesses with a special shield and surcoat, perhaps a crest. Remember, medieval heralds assigned coats of arms ot all the great historical figures.

For our next Pas in MArch, my knight is dressing as Joshua (from the bible). We're using arms from a medieval manuscript of the Nine Worthies of a black raven on a white field on our surcoats and shields. Of course, we're all wearing 14th century armor, so it ought to be pretty spiff. Stay tuned for pictures...

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Rorik Galbraith · Post by **Rorik Galbraith** » Wed Feb 06, 2002 5:06 pm

Trevor, I hope to be at that PAS. I wish I had a helm that was of the correct time, but alas, I do not. I will be wearing my maille though and I hope to at least 'act the part' as well as I can.

Just don't pick to harshly on this decreped old man....

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Trevor · Post by **Trevor** » Thu Feb 07, 2002 12:36 am

"Pick on" ?

I hope that I do not come off as someone who "picks on" people for their rigs. Frankly, I admire someone who is willing to wear a hauberk, for it adds little protective value when compared to the weight it imposes on the wearer.

Admittedly, I do rant when authenticity is discussed, as I have a fairly well developed philosophical view on the subject. If I feel I know someone well enough, I may goad and chide. Unfortunately, I've also been known to flat-out bitch behind someone's back, for which I'm ashamed.

However, I don't feel that belittling someone of singling them out for not having invested hundreds if not thousands of dollars on their armor is fair nor appropriate. Besides, it is counterproductive to my personal goal of inspiring others to be more authentic.

THAT being said-I just so happen to have in my posession a helmet or two that would be wonderfully appropriate for the Pas. If I remember correctly, you wear a coif in addition to your helmet. THis would be perfectly period for either my sugarloaf great helm or my Black Prince great helm.

Obviously, the visibility and breathing is not as good as is a bar faced helmet, but there is something to be said for seeing your opponent through eyeslots that adds to the feel of the fight.

Interested?

Rorik Galbraith · Post by **Rorik Galbraith** » Thu Feb 07, 2002 2:38 pm

Trevor old friend, I am very interested. You might be interested to know that my first helm was a 12th century great helm replete with full landing field on top. I fought in that for years prior to coming here. I even fought in a pig face once...very interesting.

I am working on attempting to set up a grimface of some sort for my spangen but at present, it is no go. I have yet to be able to find a full face for 900-1000 timeframe. I guess I could still wear the one my 'grandfather used' but I am trying to justify one that would actually have been period for the time. I do know that the maille hooked to the Raven mask currently would work, but I do not enjoy using the aventail type of set up as it retards neck movement and I would rather wear the coif instead.

By the way, I successfully fought Tuesday night. This is the first time since my surgury on the wrist. It seams to be fully healed, though weak. It was a bit sore from use, but at least it will still work so I will begin strengthening it now. Doc say's it will take upwards of a year before it is fully functional again and up to full strength.

Now remember Trevor....I am old, fat and slow...and I been sick so come a bit closer eh? Just a bit closer now.

See you at the Pas

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Trevor · Post by **Trevor** » Thu Feb 07, 2002 11:04 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Rorik Galbraith:


Now remember Trevor....I am old, fat and slow...and I been sick so come a bit closer eh? Just a bit closer now.
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Congratulations, Rorik, on returning to the List! Alas, I regret I will not be able to take you up on your hospitible offer. I think I will respectfully keep my distance, thank you just the same. Pay no attention to the nine foot long pole...

I will bring both helms with me to the Pas. Hopefully, at least one of them will work with your rig.

You're right, there's no full-faced helm from the tenth century (at least that I'm aware of). You are always welcome to masquerade as one of the 14th century folks, of course. I won't tell Halidor. (Oh, wait-he's wearing a bascinet and articulated legs and arms! Doh!)

Alcyoneus · Post by **Alcyoneus** » Fri Feb 08, 2002 3:31 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Rorik Galbraith:

By the way, I successfully fought Tuesday night. This is the first time since my surgury on the wrist. It seams to be fully healed, though weak

See you at the Pas

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Fighting again? Yippee! Trevor, bring him the helm with the narrower eyeslots, lefties don't need to see that much, after all.

Weak? You're only hitting like half a ton of bricks.

I turned 40 on Thurs 2/7. I'm old and slow too, here puppypuppypuppy.

Rorik Galbraith · Post by **Rorik Galbraith** » Fri Feb 08, 2002 11:06 am

Only 40? Oh to see those days again! 50 is just way to close now..

Trevor, thank-you and I will try both of them to see if they will fit.

Rorik

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Thaddeus · Post by **Thaddeus** » Fri Feb 08, 2002 4:27 pm

You guys are sounding an awful lot like Artos...

Rorik Galbraith · Post by **Rorik Galbraith** » Fri Feb 08, 2002 4:54 pm

Thadeous, that is because he is old too....just not as old as me.

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An oath, like an arrow, can not be recalled once loosed....think well before uttering such bindings and then stand fast to them.