<B>Hugh,
If you choose to be offended, that is your decision. I will attempt to be more careful with my use of quotation marks (which I tend to us around jargon that doesn't come from the manuals when discussing the manuals). I see now that perhaps that is what you picked out as offensive.
I am not trying to talk about anything from SCA combat, really. I'm trying to talk about I.33.
I guess we wait for the translation to keep a lot of us from spilling endless ink over this. And, I do think we need to keep that in mind. Taking this in a direction we're unsure of before the translation can not only lead us into error, but into errors which become dogmatic practice and are hard to break even in the face of translation. We (this includes me) are still recovering from many misconceptions that were a result of trying to figure it all out using just the illuminations, and without the sequencing code of the manual or the translation.
Lest I should run into this same error, I will be less passionate about my interpretation
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Dear Bob,
Sir, I have the greatest respect for you in the world. What bothers me, occasionally, however, in our communications, is the feeling that I, and others like me, who find some validity in SCA fighting and, more importantly, in the lessons we have learned there, can simply be dismissed out of hand.
My passionate response wasn't in regards to the question of what this technique was, it was in your implicaion that I thought this was a wrap just because I was blindly wanted to find proof that wraps were used in period.
I don't know what this technique is, but my honest opinion is that it's a non-functional technique like most of the rest of this manual. Yes, looking at it, I think it certainly *could* be a wrap; I know they existed, and the mechanics look correct for that sort of technique. On the other hand, Logan's interpretation of a disarm might very well be correct, too. As I said from the beginning, what I really wanted was hard data, i.e., a translation, but reasoned discussion about it is very welcome. But I don't want to be dismissed (nor to have to be lectured to by someone with less harness time than my 12 year-old nephew, but that doesn't apply to you, obviously).
With the deepest respect,
Hugh
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Hugh Knight
"Welcome to the Church of the Open Field, let us 'prey': Hunt hard, kill swiftly, waste nothing, make no apologies"
