Yet another Talhoffer question:
There are relatively few unterhau shown in Talhoffer, but I've been thinking about them a lot lately. A number of people I know who practice German martial arts feel that the unterhau is always done with the true edge, but I'm not so sure. In Fiore, all unterhau (he calls them something else, I know) are done with the false edge. If you look at plate 1 of Talhoffer's 1467 edition you see an unterhau, but, oddly, it's done with the left leg forward, which would lead you to expect is was against the offside, although the hands don't seem to show that; the hands also clearly show the true edge is being used.
In the completion of the Krumphau, however, Talhoffer clearly shows an offside unterhau done with the false edge. Are we then to assume all offside unterhau are done with the false edge?
I don't know the post 15th-century manuals; can anyone who's worked with them make any comment on this?
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Russ Mitchell:
My copy of Talhoffer is sitting in Hungary at the moment, but a place to look might be the plate where T. shows attacks at the lower openings. I have a vague memory that one of those was performed with the false edge... otherwise I'd have to defer to more knowledgeable brains than mine.</font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually, all of those attacks at the lower openings are thrusts.
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Hugh Knight
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My copy of Talhoffer is sitting in Hungary at the moment, but a place to look might be the plate where T. shows attacks at the lower openings. I have a vague memory that one of those was performed with the false edge... otherwise I'd have to defer to more knowledgeable brains than mine.</font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually, all of those attacks at the lower openings are thrusts.
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Hugh Knight
"Welcome to the Church of the Open Field, let us 'prey': Hunt hard, kill swiftly, waste nothing, make no apologies"