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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:21 pm
by Oscad
Part of the problem develops from taking advantage.


The (non West :) ) rules say I can place a shield on my opponent to restrict his movement.
The rules further say I cannot strike with the shield.

What about a push? Can I place my shield on your arm/torso/etc and push you?
Most places I have played, that is considered a no-no. (either by law or custom.)

Well, if I can't push you with my shield, it puts me at a distinct disadvantage if you can push my shield with your body.
Can I push back? How hard? What happens if I push back, and push 'too far'?

I believe this was part of the reasoning with the Mids interpretation of the rules.

Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:28 pm
by InsaneIrish
Dauyd wrote:
kenrickb wrote:I sense subject drift, but I always have thought of target substitution as deliberately moving a legal target out of the path of incoming blow such that an illegal target gets hit so you don't have to take the blow (e.g. lifting your leg so your shin gets hit instead of your thigh).

Kenric, East[/list]


That was my first reaction to his comments, but upon further reflection I see what he is saying.

Think of iit like this:

If I attempt to move your shield shield with my elbow, it is gonna get smacked because I've just made a prime target of my elbow. It is also going to get targeted because I'm doing something with it that you want to stop, and the best way to stop it is to nail me there.

On the other hand, if I do the same thing with my hand, you're stuck. You can't hit my hand, so essentially what you are doing is target substitution- I've placed a non-valid target in a spot where you should be attacking.


Dauyd has the right of it.