SCA 90 Degree rule gone?

Gaston de Clermont · Post by **Gaston de Clermont** » Mon Nov 18, 2002 2:40 pm

I just looked through the marshallate handbook on line, and the West Kingdom version, and didn't find a reference to the old prohibition of powerful swings greater than 90 degrees with a two handed weapon anywhere. Did I just miss it, or did the rule get removed? When? How did that happen?
I think it's ultimately a good thing, since it wasn't really enforced, doesn't really prevent excessive force, and prohibits a variety of period techniques.
Gaston de Clermont

Asbjorn Johansen · Post by **Asbjorn Johansen** » Mon Nov 18, 2002 3:22 pm

I can't speak for the West Kindgom rules, but the 90 degree rule has not been in the corporate level rule book since at least the December 2000 revision. There is an excessive force rule though.

Asbjorn

horsefriend · Post by **horsefriend** » Mon Nov 18, 2002 3:27 pm

Gaston,

The 90 degree rule was removed about a year abd a half ago, now if they'd just ENFORCE excessive force we'd all be happy.

Alail/Scott

Gaston de Clermont · Post by **Gaston de Clermont** » Mon Nov 18, 2002 6:40 pm

I'll be darned. Here I was thinking I was all hip to the rules, and I was almost two years behind the times.
So how does something like this get changed? It seems uncharacteristic for the marshallate to remove something that might have made things look safer.
Excessive force, like calibration, is so subjective it's virtually impossible to enforce a standard. I've only been hit a few times with force I'd consider excessive, so it doesn't worry me much, but it's comforting to know there's some upper limit to at least whine about.
Gaston de Clermont

Richard Blackmoore · Post by **Richard Blackmoore** » Mon Nov 18, 2002 6:52 pm

"Gaston,
The 90 degree rule was removed about a year abd a half ago, now if they'd just ENFORCE excessive force we'd all be happy."

Wow. First you want them to get rid of the 90 degree rule, now you want them to require that you be hit with excessive force? I am guessing you own full plate.

Richard

horsefriend · Post by **horsefriend** » Tue Nov 19, 2002 2:14 pm

Okay, okay, so I forgot "the rule about" in my post, it was a long wet trip.

The first event after the lifting of the 90 degree ban I saw a rising 180 with a great weapon bat someone's helm clear off their head (strapping was in goog shape BEFORE said blow), the perp was NOT given more than minor admonishment. Since it IS rather difficult to judge "excessive force" I think the sanctions should be severe when there is no question as to intent.

Alail/Scott

P.S. Richard, I do wear a lot of plate, but I'm still a light counter unless the powers above decree "as you wear", at which point I glory in my 3/4" eyeslot

Palymar · Post by **Palymar** » Tue Nov 19, 2002 4:50 pm

The Middle Kingdom dropped the 90 degree rule over 10 years ago, hasn't caused a problem yet

randy · Post by **randy** » Wed Nov 20, 2002 11:21 pm

now i say this toung in cheak but I have been told about my helm ( 14 gauge hardened steel reinforced with another layer of 14 gauge hardened steel) that if some one dents it i should go back to my car, get my .45 and shoot them because they mean to harm me. implimenting this as a standard would save the problem.