Diglach mac Cein wrote:snip-If you have a question or suggestion, why not email it to your KEM as Sir Omerad asked? Though I'm sure a well thought out arguement like "These new rules SUX" will receive all due attention.
Done, awaiting posting, reply or clarification of the rules as they (will) apply in Caid.
Anyone else getting grass-rootsy on the issue which affacts us all?
Effects....
this will effect our affects....
and really this doesn't effect me at all.
I have a fiberglass spear. Which is 9 foot. I have a Bastard sword.. which is not effected, a great sword, which is not effected. A couple of single handers which are not effected, and a single handed mace... which is not effected.
The only real thing this might effect for me is in building a pole arm
I have a fiberglass spear. Which is 9 foot. I have a Bastard sword.. which is not effected, a great sword, which is not effected. A couple of single handers which are not effected, and a single handed mace... which is not effected.
The only real thing this might effect for me is in building a pole arm
Doesn't effect me much at all either but contrary to some peoples belief I'm not just a S&S stickjock wrapped up in my desire for tourney combat. I see this as an unnecessary adjustment to a lot of melee fighters equipment. My dissapointment is that these adjustments don't address or correct any problem and are therefore superfluous.
When providing feedback to your KEMs, please consider suggesting that shovel grips on all weapons, especially fiberglass spears, be banned at this time at the society level. The efficiency of the force transfer is not to believed and far too easy to (unintentionally) deliver concussive blows, in my considered opinion and experience. This is especially true in an environment such as Pennsic where there is an expectation to strike the face lightly (see directed touch) but the body hard.
Most Estrella-centric kingdoms already ban these, or did.
Regards
Avery
Doppel of Eberhauer
Imperial Mercenary of Atenveldt
Even a squire can win Crown Tournament.
I can't find a society level ruling against them, nor can I find any prohibition in the Middle and East Kingdom's marshal's handbook.
My apologies if I've just missed it, I used the search terms "cross", "shovel", and "grip". I do find the prohibitions against cross-grips on crossbows, and the West Kingdom prohibition that seems to follow society wording as closely as possible, when possible.
Regards
Avery
Doppel of Eberhauer
Imperial Mercenary of Atenveldt
Even a squire can win Crown Tournament.
DukeAvery wrote:I can't find a society level ruling against them, nor can I find any prohibition in the Middle and East Kingdom's marshal's handbook.
My apologies if I've just missed it, I used the search terms "cross", "shovel", and "grip". I do find the prohibitions against cross-grips on crossbows, and the West Kingdom prohibition that seems to follow society wording as closely as possible, when possible.
Regards
Avery
Your Grace, in 8+ years of being an armored combat marshal in the Middle, I have never seen a 'shovel handle' on a spear.
Might not be a rule against them, but more likely a 'don't be a dick' guideline. And we have some pretty darn good spear fighters.
Sean F. Ryan
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I'm not accusing anyone, I just thought that since we're in this section of the rules and communicating with our KEMs there's no harm in being un-equivocal about it (I submit).
We had a problem with them briefly at Estrella years ago and I prefer the rule in.
Regards
Avery
Doppel of Eberhauer
Imperial Mercenary of Atenveldt
Even a squire can win Crown Tournament.
A question about
Change 3: B. Single-Handed Weapons: 4. No weapon may have a butt/pommel spike or a cutting and/or smashing surface at both ends. and... C. Two-Handed Weapons. 4. No weapon may have a cutting and/or smashing surface at both ends. Only polearms and Greatswords may have butt/pommel spikes.
Can you still fight Christian style, with a great sword in one hand? It is a two handed weapon being used in one hand.
While I have not looked in the handboke, in my time in the Mid, it seemed fairly accepted that shovel grips were illegal. I have not seen one in the East in the 4 years I have been here. And I am pretty sure they are not allowed at Pennsic.
OTOH, I have not seen any of this in writing; and it couldn't hurt to have it in the Society rules.
