The Armour Archive

Posted: **Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:36 pm**

OK. I am posting this here with the understanding that I am rarely on this list. I just don't have the time for all the forums I would like to be on.
Discuss, send comments to your KEM. (chain letters will be ignored)
I cannot and will not respond to anything her very quickly or probably not at all. Sir Tristan has been forwarding me summaries. (Thanks)

There were several new rule changes that were brought up at the Pennsic Grand Marshallate meeting.
There seems to be some confusion about them and some consternation about them.

I am willing to delay implementation of the following rules and allow discussion until the end of the next KEM reporting quarter. (DEC 15th).
At that time I will make my final decision influenced on the discussions and input received by the KEM's.
Anyone can send comments to their KEM's and they can relate them to my Marshallate list.

The Armor Archive, Known world chivalry club, or any other forum is NOT a discussion forum that all Marshallate staff participate in.
The discussions there can be great and even fruitful but the info/comments that are gleaned from there and can help these discussions need to go through the KEM's and then to this Marshallate forum.
Anyone with an opinion, good, or bad, and can supplement it with intelligent (and concise please) commentary is welcome to contact their Kingdom Earl Marshal to have their comments summarized and reposted to my Marshallate forum along with any others.

The following rules will be delayed until DEC 15th 2010 for discussion and final decision.
Change 1:
C. Two-Handed Weapons.
7. Total weapon length shall not exceed 12 feet (3.658 m) and rattan spears shall not be less than 5 feet (1.8288 m).
and
D. Fiberglass Spears
7. Total spear length shall not exceed 12 feet (3.658 m) and shall not be less than 5 feet (1.8288 m).

Change 2:
VII. WEAPONS STANDARDS
A. General
14. No mass weapon shall exceed 6' in length.

Change 3:
B. Single-Handed Weapons:
4. No weapon may have a butt/pommel spike or a cutting and/or smashing surface at both ends.
and...
C. Two-Handed Weapons.
4. No weapon may have a cutting and/or smashing surface at both ends. Only polearms and Greatswords may have butt/pommel spikes.

Change 4:
Glossary change to:
XVIV. GLOSSARY
B. Weapons
Change this paragraph: (changes are underlined and bold)
Single-handed mass weapons: maces, axes, war hammers, or other weapons designed primarily to crush or punch
holes (on account of the weight of the real weapons), rather than primarily to cut (on account of sharp edges on the real weapon). Maximum length for single-handed mass weapons is 48 inches (122cm).
To this paragraph:
Mass weapons: maces, some axe designs, war hammers, or other weapons designed primarily to crush or punch holes (on account of the weight or design of the real weapons), rather than primarily to cut (on account of sharp edges on the real weapon). Maximum length for two-handed mass weapons is 6â€™ (1.8288 m ).

I hope that the discussions that follow will help us come out with safe and authentic supporting rule changes.
We will never make everyone happy, everyone wasn't happy to begin with, but we will try and make good rulings and changes that support the goals of the SCA.

-Omarad,
-SEM

and PS- Mord, I apologize if I was grumpy with you. I was trying to do a LOT of fast email on my phone (not a cool easy-to-email kinda phone) and was trying to be quick.

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:57 am**

I think this is causing the most confusion:

Sir Tristen Sexwulf wrote:
Duke Phelan wrote:Ok, 5'2" long Footmans hammer with a buttspike that I have been using for 6 years.

Legal or not?

<a href="http://s43.photobucket.com/albums/e398/sirphelan/?action=view&current=photo.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e398/sirphelan/photo.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Pole Hammer.
Under 6'
Legal in AE as far as I am concerned.

EDIT
This is in response to a post further down in order to keep this thread as clean as possible:

I don't know hot to "strike through" so please consider this:
Also:
In the post above, only[i] fiberglass spears must be over 5', I believe that in the fist post I saw, all spears had to be over 5'. That makes a big difference.[/i]

As responded to later in theis thread. I didn't read the OP properly, my apologies.

Diglach mac Cein wrote:Guys - Omerad probably is not coming back to respond on the forum, per the original post.

He asked that questions, comments, etc. be sent to your KEM.

D -

.

I realize that, my intention was to point out what I felt was the most confusing areas in the update.

I placed them in this thread to move them out of the 11 page one, just to be clear.

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:07 am**

I have a feeling that I am about to make a fool of myself here but here goes:

and rattan spears shall not be less than 5 feet (1.8288 m).

5 feet = 5x12x2.54 = 1.52m?

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:08 am**

So, a 7.5ft Halberd is now illegal?

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:38 am**

Sir Omarad,

Thank you for posting the update! I know you are crunched for time and this is very nice.

Personally I would prefer to allow polearms up to 7.5 ft. They existed historically and I find that it can help with blocking.

Regardless, I expect wise heads to decide what is right, and I will either cheer and adjust or complain and adjust.

With thanks,

-Aaron

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:40 am**

I think they're counting halberd as a two-handed cutting polearm. The way I read it it, it's legal up to 12 feet.

Christopher

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:43 am**

InsaneIrish wrote:So, a 7.5ft Halberd is now illegal?

I believe that the clarification in the other thread is that pole axes like halberds, glaives, etc. can be 7.5' but non axe mass weapons like hammers and maces, couldn't be.

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:49 am**

Guys - Omerad probably is not coming back to respond on the forum, per the original post.

He asked that questions, comments, etc. be sent to your KEM.

D -

.

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:51 am**

I think we're just debating here.

I'll send my recommendations to my current KEM.

-Aaron

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:20 am**

Ah. Sorry - this threw me...

Aaron wrote:Sir Omarad,

Thank you for posting the update! I know you are crunched for time and this is very nice.

Personally I would prefer to allow polearms up to 7.5 ft. They existed historically and I find that it can help with blocking.

Regardless, I expect wise heads to decide what is right, and I will either cheer and adjust or complain and adjust.

With thanks,

-Aaron

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:15 am**

The guy is a schoolteacher, and doesn't have time to deal with a second group of fussy arsehats like us.

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:16 am**

Diglach mac Cein wrote:Ah. Sorry - this threw me...

Aaron wrote:Sir Omarad,

Thank you for posting the update! I know you are crunched for time and this is very nice.

Personally I would prefer to allow polearms up to 7.5 ft. They existed historically and I find that it can help with blocking.

Regardless, I expect wise heads to decide what is right, and I will either cheer and adjust or complain and adjust.

With thanks,

-Aaron

How so?

Either (a) a change will happen that I like or (b) a change will happen that I don't like. In either case, I will play whatever game exists from that with the rules that are posted. And I'll learn to enjoy it.

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:17 am**

Aaron wrote:In either case, I will play whatever game exists from that with the rules that are posted. And I'll learn to enjoy it.

Like knee fighting?

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:23 am**

That you directed it to Sir Omerad...

.

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:23 am**

Knee fighting is not required, if everyone involved agrees.

Ingvarr wrote:
Aaron wrote:In either case, I will play whatever game exists from that with the rules that are posted. And I'll learn to enjoy it.
Like knee fighting?

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:48 am**

Aaron wrote:I think we're just debating here.

I'll send my recommendations to my current KEM.

-Aaron

KEM just changed, btw. Lief's email hasn't been added to the forwarder, since I need to dig out my notebook from this weekend and add him to the Outlands site.

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:32 pm**

I will translate
Change 1:
C. Two-Handed Weapons.
7. Total weapon length shall not exceed 12 feet (3.658 m) and rattan spears shall not be less than 5 feet (1.8288 m).
and
D. Fiberglass Spears
7. Total spear length shall not exceed 12 feet (3.658 m) and shall not be less than 5 feet (1.8288 m).

Change 2:
VII. WEAPONS STANDARDS
A. General
14. No mass weapon shall exceed 6' in length.

Change 3:
B. Single-Handed Weapons:
4. No weapon may have a butt/pommel spike or a cutting and/or smashing surface at both ends.
and...
C. Two-Handed Weapons.
4. No weapon may have a cutting and/or smashing surface at both ends. Only polearms and Greatswords may have butt/pommel spikes.

Change 4:
Glossary change to:
XVIV. GLOSSARY
B. Weapons
Change this paragraph: (changes are underlined and bold)
Single-handed mass weapons: maces, axes, war hammers, or other weapons designed primarily to crush or punch
holes (on account of the weight of the real weapons), rather than primarily to cut (on account of sharp edges on the real weapon). Maximum length for single-handed mass weapons is 48 inches (122cm).
To this paragraph:
Mass weapons: maces, some axe designs, war hammers, or other weapons designed primarily to crush or punch holes (on account of the weight or design of the real weapons), rather than primarily to cut (on account of sharp edges on the real weapon). Maximum length for two-handed mass weapons is 6â€™ (1.8288 m ).

Madus are expressly forbidden.

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:37 pm**

My read (and my opinion is no more valid than anyone else's, being not with the the marshallate), is that this is legal based based on gross physical characteristics. If it were 6'2" (instead of 5'2"), or had smashing surfaces on both ends, it would be illegal.

Long halberds (over 6') seem to be a grey area, they being both cutting and smashing weapons. Many kingdoms don't allow polearms over 6' anyway. My guess is we're seeing the end of heavy headed 7 1/2' sca weapons that sometimes are seen at Estrella. I won't complain.

My new winged spear should still be legal as I read it, being a light-headed (balance point is only 3" forward of the mid point) with the striking characteristics of a long blank.

Consult with your local SEMs.

Regards

Avery

Arngrim wrote:I think this is causing the most confusion:

Sir Tristen Sexwulf wrote:
Duke Phelan wrote:Ok, 5'2" long Footmans hammer with a buttspike that I have been using for 6 years.

Legal or not?

<a href="http://s43.photobucket.com/albums/e398/sirphelan/?action=view&current=photo.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e398/sirphelan/photo.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Pole Hammer.
Under 6'
Legal in AE as far as I am concerned.

Also:
In the post above, only fiberglass spears must be over 5', I believe that in the fist post I saw, all spears had to be over 5'. That makes a big difference.

EDIT
This is in response to a post further down in order to keep this thread as clean as possible:

Diglach mac Cein wrote:Guys - Omerad probably is not coming back to respond on the forum, per the original post.

He asked that questions, comments, etc. be sent to your KEM.

D -

.

I realize that, my intention was to point out what I felt was the most confusing areas in the update.

I placed them in this thread to move them out of the 11 page one, just to be clear.

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 1:01 pm**

Ingvarr wrote:
Aaron wrote:In either case, I will play whatever game exists from that with the rules that are posted. And I'll learn to enjoy it.
Like knee fighting?

If knee fighting became required, I'd adapt a suit for knee fighting (probably with a skateboard on both knees so I could glide around the parking-lot where fighter practices often are) and learn to enjoy it. I'm getting more mellow in my golden years, and I could learn to have fun...but I'd make "Dorf" references as well as "I'll knaw your kneecaps off!"

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 1:05 pm**

Diglach mac Cein wrote:That you directed it to Sir Omerad...

.

I thanked him. He doesn't have to be here to be thanked for...well, visiting.

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:57 pm**

RenJunkie wrote:I think they're counting halberd as a two-handed cutting polearm. The way I read it it, it's legal up to 12 feet.

Christopher

Dear Lord.
Where did you get that?

Any weapon over 7.5' may only be used for thrusting only.

The above rules are the ones being changed.
They are not the ONLY rules.

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:24 pm**

Sir Tristen Sexwulf wrote:
RenJunkie wrote:I think they're counting halberd as a two-handed cutting polearm. The way I read it it, it's legal up to 12 feet.

Christopher

Dear Lord.
Where did you get that?

I believe that this is another example of the new rules being written in a completely ambiguous manner...

SEM - Sir Omarad wrote: C. Two-Handed Weapons.
7. Total weapon length shall not exceed 12 feet (3.658 m)

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:34 pm**

So my pollaxe can't be longer than six feet, unless it's twelve feet?

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:01 pm**

My read is that there are 'cutting' polearms, which have different limitations than 'mass' crushing/punching polearms.

Halbards are cutting/crushing/punching polearms, however, so that would fall to the local KEM to clarify the ruling, if not in a kingdom that doesn't allow over 6' polearms at all.

Somewhere, pole-arms are limited to 7 1/2' overall. I doubt this is being removed, but I don't know that, or any of my intrepretations here, for a fact.

Regards

Avery

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:04 pm**

14. No mass weapon shall exceed 6' in length.

and

Mass weapons: maces, some axe designs, war hammers, or other weapons designed primarily to crush or punch holes (on account of the weight or design of the real weapons), rather than primarily to cut (on account of sharp edges on the real weapon). Maximum length for two-handed mass weapons is 6â€™ (1.8288 m ).

Since I cannot be sure (because I don't know what those "some designs" are) I'm going to have to make a guess.

To stay of the safe side of legality I'm assuming that any weapon that has an axe head, an axe like head, a hammer head, or a mace head can only be 6 feet long.

So, I guess halberds, bills, poleaxes, guisarmes, bardiches, and voulges are limited to 6 ft and under.

However, knife on a stick style of polearms such as fauchards, glaives, naginata, etc may be up to 7.5 ft long.

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:07 pm**

So, the SCA has been officially classified as a role playing game after all. With different house rules depending on who is running the game. :roll:

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:14 pm**

Always has been

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:16 pm**

Spare a hit point bro? :lol:

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:24 pm**

You are from the West. You should have all you need. :twisted:

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:38 pm**

It's all these +5/+5 weapons against royal peers out there these days.... :lol:

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:04 pm**

I think it is kind of Sir Omarad to communicate with the knowne world this way - I recommend we follow his request, consider the changes, talk about them with others, and provide feedback thru the appropriate kingdom mechanisms.

Regards

Avery

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:11 pm**

Arngrim wrote:Also:
In the post above, only fiberglass spears must be over 5', I believe that in the fist post I saw, all spears had to be over 5'. That makes a big difference.

Try reading that again, rattan spears are covered in the general two handed weapons section:

C. Two-Handed Weapons.
7. Total weapon length shall not exceed 12 feet (3.658 m) and rattan spears shall not be less than 5 feet (1.8288 m).
and
D. Fiberglass Spears
7. Total spear length shall not exceed 12 feet (3.658 m) and shall not be less than 5 feet (1.8288 m).

The changes are applying to VII.C.7 and VII.D.7

If you look at the current rules, it looks like this:

C. Two-Handed Weapons. Weapons which may be used with one or two hands shall have the following
requirements:
1. Weapons shall be constructed of rattan of not less than 1 1/4 inch (31.8 mm) in diameter (including tape).
Polearms may contain blades constructed of split rattan, so long as the piece(s) are securely fastened to the
haft.
2. The weapon shall not be excessively flexible.
3. If the weapon has a head, it shall not be constructed of solely rigid materials. The head shall be firmly and
securely attached to the haft. The head shall allow at least 1⁄2 inch (12.7 mm) of progressive give between
the striking surface and the weapon haft. Laminated or split rattan construction techniques do not require
1⁄2 inch (12.7 mm) of progressive give, so long as their construction imparts striking characteristics similar
to an unpadded weapon constructed of a single piece of rattan.
4. No weapon may have a cutting and/or smashing surface at both ends.
5. When thrusting tips are used, they shall be no less than 2 inches (50.8 mm) in diameter/cross-section and
have 2 inches (50.8 mm) of resilient material in front of the rigid tip of the weapon, thereby providing
progressively resistant give.
6. Weapons exceeding 7 1⁄2 feet (2.286 m) shall not be used for cutting or smashing and shall be used for
thrusting only.
7. Total weapon length shall not exceed 12 feet (3.658 m).

So this change is modifying section 7 only, which does not currently list a minimum length, the other rules are still in place. Try reading the rules in their entirety, I'm not saying things aren't unclear, but they are certainly clearer than just a one line statement about min/max length.

Stefan ap Llewelyn wrote:I have a feeling that I am about to make a fool of myself here but here goes:

and rattan spears shall not be less than 5 feet (1.8288 m).

5 feet = 5x12x2.54 = 1.52m?

You are correct, 1.524m is the metric equivalent of 5 ft., 1.8288 m is actually 6 ft.

Gregoire de Lyon wrote:
Sir Tristen Sexwulf wrote:
RenJunkie wrote:I think they're counting halberd as a two-handed cutting polearm. The way I read it it, it's legal up to 12 feet.

Christopher

Dear Lord.
Where did you get that?

I believe that this is another example of the new rules being written in a completely ambiguous manner...

SEM - Sir Omarad wrote: C. Two-Handed Weapons.
7. Total weapon length shall not exceed 12 feet (3.658 m)

As Sir Tristan stated, this is already covered by rule VII.C.6.:

VII.C.6. Weapons exceeding 7 1⁄2 feet (2.286 m) shall not be used for cutting or smashing and shall be used for thrusting only.

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:49 pm**

C. Two-Handed Weapons.
7. Total weapon length shall not exceed 12 feet (3.658 m)

After the length, it said "and" and described a spear. I didnn't realize it was only about a spear to start with. Since the OP didn't have part 6, which limits anything bigger to thrusting only, I didn't realize it was forbidden. Admittedly, I didn't go look up the whole section before posting, didn't think about the rules already in place,and should have paid more attention.

Got tricked by going straight to 7 and not paying enough attention.

I'm not even sure I'm making sense right now.

Apologies.

Christopher

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:04 pm**

No worries, the OP was just posting the changed content, you aren't the only person to read just the change and misunderstand the meaning. Usually when these sorts of things are changed in by-laws or rule books, the original text is left in, but with <s>a strikethrough</s> to show the old content along with the proposed change. The new rules would then look like this:

Proposed SCA Rules wrote:II. WEAPONS STANDARDS
A. General
1. NO METAL OR UNAPPROVED RIGID PLASTIC MAY BE USED IN THE STRIKING SURFACE OR
SURFACES OF ANY WEAPON.
2. Primary weapons used single-handed shall have a wrist strap (or equivalent restraint) which will keep the
weapon from leaving the immediate area of the user. Restraints are not required on hafted weapons used
single-handed, or on single-handed back-up weapons.
3. Flails are expressly prohibited.
4. Mechanical devices known as "sliders," which are used to guide or propel spears, are prohibited.
5. All weapons shall have all cutting edges and thrusting tips marked in a contrasting color.
6. The striking surfaces of all weapons, including the tip, shall be wrapped in a manner that allows no rattan
splinters to protrude.
7. All thrusting tips and striking heads must be securely attached to the weapon.
8. The edges and tips of all striking surfaces shall be rounded.
9. No part of a weapon shall have sharp edges or protrusions with cross-section of less than 11⁄4 inch
(31.8mm) in diameter. Guards, pommels, hooks, etc., shall be firmly and securely affixed to the weapon
haft.
10. It shall not be possible to force any part of a weapon which may reasonably be expected to contact an
opponent during combat more than 1/2 inch (12.7 mm) into a legal face guard. Rattan weapons may have a
handle section which is less than 1 1/4 inch (31.8 mm), so long as it meets this criterion. Combat archery
shafts may be thinner as long as the head and tail meet the criteria.
11. Rattan shall not be treated in any way that will substantially reduce its flexibility (e.g., treated with wax,
resin, fiberglass, etc.).
12. No weapon shall exceed 6 lbs (2.73 kg).
13. No missile weapons intended to simulate firearms, slings, slingstaffs, nor Atlatl's can be used on the field
of Armored Combat.
14. No mass weapon shall exceed 6' in length.

B. Single-Handed Weapons: Weapons that shall be used in one hand shall have the following requirements:
1. Single handed weapons shall be constructed of rattan or rattan-cored Siloflex or Siloflex equivalent and
shall be not less than 1 1⁄4 inch (31.8 mm) in total diameter (including tape) along its entire length
excepting the handle.
2. Rattan-cored Siloflex or Siloflex equivalent weapons shall be constructed using tubular materials meeting
ASTM standard D-2239 or the international equivalent, with a pressure rating of 160 PSI or greater, having
at least a 1 1⁄4 inch (31.8 mm) diameter on the outside and at least 1/8 inch (3.2 mm) walls, and having an
inner core of rattan that fills the interior of the tubular material entirely. Periodic inspection shall be made
to determine the condition of the inner core.
3. If the weapon has a head, it shall not be constructed of solely rigid materials. The head shall be firmly and
securely attached to the haft. The head shall allow at least a 1⁄2 inch (12.7 mm) of progressive give
between the striking surface and the weapon haft.
4. <s>No weapon may have a cutting and/or smashing surface at both ends.</s> No weapon may have a butt/pommel spike or a cutting and/or smashing surface at both ends.
5. When thrusting tips are used, they shall be at least the same diameter as the shaft of the weapon they are
mounted on and have at least 1 1⁄4 inch (31.8 mm) of resilient material in front of the rigid tip of the
weapon providing at least 1⁄2 inch (12.7 mm) of progressively resistant give across the face of the thrusting
tip. (Note: Pressing with the thumb into the center of the thrusting tip is not an adequate test. The give must
be across the entire face of the tip.).
6. Swords shall have a hand guard, such as a basket hilt, quillions, or equivalent.
7. Total weapon length shall not exceed 48 inches (1.22 m).
8. Total weapon mass shall not exceed 5 lb (2.27 kg).
C. Two-Handed Weapons. Weapons which may be used with one or two hands shall have the following
requirements:
1. Weapons shall be constructed of rattan of not less than 1 1/4 inch (31.8 mm) in diameter (including tape).
Polearms may contain blades constructed of split rattan, so long as the piece(s) are securely fastened to the
haft.
2. The weapon shall not be excessively flexible.
3. If the weapon has a head, it shall not be constructed of solely rigid materials. The head shall be firmly and
securely attached to the haft. The head shall allow at least 1⁄2 inch (12.7 mm) of progressive give between
the striking surface and the weapon haft. Laminated or split rattan construction techniques do not require
1⁄2 inch (12.7 mm) of progressive give, so long as their construction imparts striking characteristics similar
to an unpadded weapon constructed of a single piece of rattan.
4.<s> No weapon may have a cutting and/or smashing surface at both ends.</s>No weapon may have a cutting and/or smashing surface at both ends. Only polearms and Greatswords may have butt/pommel spikes.
5. When thrusting tips are used, they shall be no less than 2 inches (50.8 mm) in diameter/cross-section and
have 2 inches (50.8 mm) of resilient material in front of the rigid tip of the weapon, thereby providing
progressively resistant give.
6. Weapons exceeding 7 1⁄2 feet (2.286 m) shall not be used for cutting or smashing and shall be used for
thrusting only.
7. <s>Total weapon length shall not exceed 12 feet (3.658 m).</s>Total weapon length shall not exceed 12 feet (3.658 m) and rattan spears shall not be less than 5 feet (1.524 m).
D. Fiberglass Spears
1. Fiberglass spears shall not have a cutting or smashing head.
2. Fiberglass spears shall be constructed with pultruded fiberglass shafts with an outside diameter of no less
than 1 1/4 inch (31.75 mm) and no greater than 1 5/16 inch (33.38 mm). Minimum manufacturer specified
wall thickness shall be 1/8 inch (3.2 mm) and the minimum measurable wall thickness shall be 3/32 inch
(2.38 mm).
3. The end of the shaft which will have the thrusting tip attached must be covered with a schedule-40 PVC
cap with an interior diameter the same as the outside diameter of the shaft (1 1/4 inch [31.8mm]). The
thrusting tip will then be attached over this cap.
4. All fiberglass spears must have a thrusting tip a minimum of 3 inches (76.2 mm) in diameter or cross-
section. Additionally, these thrusting tips must be constructed so that there is a minimum of 3 inches (76.2
mm) of resilient material in front of the PVC end cap and shall provide progressively resistant give under
pressure without allowing contact with the PVC end cap.
5. Shafts may be spliced using a fiberglass rod or tube with a sidewall of 1/8 inch (3.2 mm) of the same or
equivalent material, having an outside diameter of 1 inch (25.4 mm) and a length of 8â€“12 inches (203â€“
304mm). Only two splices will be allowed per spear shaft. Each end to be spliced shall be cut square and
clean of cracks or frayed fibers. The rod shall extend at least 4 inches (101.6 mm) into each spliced end.
One or both of these two methods shall secure the splice:
i. Epoxying both ends of the fiberglass rod before insertion.
ii. Epoxying one end of the fiberglass rod before insertion and thoroughly taping the splice over with fiber
tape.
6. The butt end of the shaft shall be smooth and free of cracks or frayed fibers. The butt shall be taped over or
otherwise sealed. If a weapon is completely taped, a marshal may require that one section be untaped
enough to determine that pultruded fiberglass has been used in the construction of the shaft.
7. <s>Total spear length shall not exceed 12 feet (3.658 m).</s>Total spear length shall not exceed 12 feet (3.658 m) and shall not be less than 5 feet (1.524 m).
E. Throwing Weapons - These weapons may be used for striking and may also be thrown in melee scenarios
where thrown weapons are allowed. May include thrust-and-throw javelins, axes, knives, etc.
1. Shafts shall be constructed of rattan not less than 1 1/4 inch (31.8 mm) in diameter along its entire length
or of two layers of Siloflex or equivalent. The outer layer shall be 1 inch (25.4 mm) inner diameter
Siloflex (1 1/4 inch [31.8mm] OD) and the inner layer shall be 0.75 inch (19.1 mm) inner diameter
Siloflex. All Siloflex used for Throwing Weapons must have a pressure rating of 160 PSI or greater.
2. If Siloflex is used, both ends of the shaft shall be covered with either a schedule-40 PVC cap with an
interior diameter the same as the outside diameter of the shaft (1 1/4 inch [31.8 mm]), or with a rubber
stopper or equivalent means to prevent the tubing from penetrating the thrusting tip(s), fastened securely
in place by tape and/or glue.
3. Thrusting tips shall be used on any tip that can be reasonably assumed to contact a fighter when the
weapon is used or thrown. Tips shall be no less than 2 inches (50.8 mm) in diameter/cross-section and
have 2 inches (50.8 mm) of resilient material in front of the rigid tip of the weapon, thereby providing
progressively resistant give.
4. If the weapon has a head, it shall not be constructed of solely rigid materials. The head shall be firmly and
securely attached to the haft or handle. The head shall allow at least 1/2 inch (12.7 mm) of progressive
give between the striking surface and the weapon haft or handle.
5. The weapon must have the ownerâ€™s name, kingdom, and group clearly and legibly printed on it in English
characters for identification.
6. Total mass of the weapon shall not exceed 2 pounds (0.91 kg).

[quote="Glossary"]
B. Weapons
Approved rigid plastics: Siloflex and Siloflex equivalents are currently the only rigid plastic approved for the
striking surface of a weapon.
Bow: A projectile launcher consisting of a material held under tension by a string. Also referred to as Handbow.
Crossbow: A projectile launcher consisting of a bow (called a prod) being mounted to a stock, with a lock
mechanism to hold the string and full draw and allow it's release via a trigger.
Flail: a weapon with a striking surface attached to the handle via a flexible arm or pivot.
Laminated rattan: Two pieces of rattan, each being at least 11⁄4 inch (31.8mm) in diameter, attached to one another
with a short overlap by tape or other method of binding. Maximum length of the overlap shall be 18â€

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:36 pm**

Thank you Chris. That helped.

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