battle of the nations experiment

[Swete]

Nissan, you bringing that BoN kit to Gulf Wars? I'll practice with you.

GreenShield

Awesome, man.
Yep, I am. We will have to go offsite to fight full speed full contact with steel, or we will both get kicked out of the SCA. We can do it in my hotel parking lot.

Can I watch? ....well, that sounded wrong...

[Nissan Maxima]

Wow, that's an impressive amount of violence. The blade of your metal sword still looks good from the pics, maybe you can just replace the guard with something better? Though having an extra sword might not be a bad idea if that's a similar amount of violence as the real event.

This is a sword I got from Ic Falcon. trashed it in one day. The hilt is bent in two axis and is now junk. I need better swords.

Lots of SCA shots hit. For the counted blow singles fights they are very useful. None are particularly effective at giving any pause to an armoured oponent. Pommel strikes and punches are effective.

Nissan,

I am sorry the sword did not last longer. I will be happy to give you store credit for the sword if you like.

Cheers!

Ice

You are more than fair. I'll be in touch.

[LOGOS]

Some day the Battle of Thirty will be fought with steel.

Probably not in our lifetime...

[raito]

Some day the Battle of Thirty will be fought with steel.

Probably not in our lifetime...

Possibly in our lifetime. Probably not in the SCA.

[Greenshield]

Nissan, you bringing that BoN kit to Gulf Wars? I'll practice with you.

GreenShield

Awesome, man.
Yep, I am. We will have to go offsite to fight full speed full contact with steel, or we will both get kicked out of the SCA. We can do it in my hotel parking lot.

You got it. I will be on site from Wednesday evening on. I'm pretty easy to find but I'll shoot you a cell number so we can track each other down.

G

[Lloyd]

Some day the Battle of Thirty will be fought with steel.

Probably not in our lifetime...

Possibly in our lifetime. Probably not in the SCA.

Now you are talking about an organization that I think I could join.

[J.G.Elmslie]

Ouch.
that's impressive.

a hilt failing in two planes of direction is something I've not encountered much before.

was that solely gripping the hilt, or also performing murder-strokes and hookings from a blade-grip?
(mmm. Mortschlach. Fun.)

if it was a failure from just gripping, then I'm really impressed. or maybe unimpressed. if that makes any sense. If it was from the torque force from throwing the blow, or the impact shock of landing a blow is also a detail which I'd be interested to know, but I fear, is unlikely to be easily identified unless you remember the actual moment of failure. if its from landing, then I rather wonder if its also partly a technique issue. Any thoughts of setting up cameras and recording the sparring in future? I personally found its a good way to dissect my errors in footwork and the likes, and also spot some shoulder positioning that was'nt ideal. might be useful to identify how the blows were thrown.

I'd love to know the cross-section distal thickness on that blade, or study the remains of the poor thing and see where it failed, and how it was designed originally. (is that sort of post-mortem study a spathasection, I wonder?)

Some day the Battle of Thirty will be fought with steel.

Probably not in our lifetime...

Possibly in our lifetime. Probably not in the SCA.

Wherever it may be, if my body is intact, come that day, I'll want to be there...

[Kel Rekuta]

Some day the Battle of Thirty will be fought with steel.

Probably not in our lifetime...

In the USA. Most countries aren't as litigious as America. The Eastern Europeans could do it now if sixty fighters were inclined to do so.

It might be fought in Ontario within a decade if our current pace of growth continues. We have three groups within reasonable driving distance that do full contact rebated steel combat. The SCA isn't the only place the Battle of the Thirty could be re-enacted.

[Johann ColdIron]

Ouch.
that's impressive.

a hilt failing in two planes of direction is something I've not encountered much before.

was that solely gripping the hilt, or also performing murder-strokes and hookings from a blade-grip?
(mmm. Mortschlach. Fun.)

if it was a failure from just gripping, then I'm really impressed. or maybe unimpressed. if that makes any sense. If it was from the torque force from throwing the blow, or the impact shock of landing a blow is also a detail which I'd be interested to know, but I fear, is unlikely to be easily identified unless you remember the actual moment of failure. if its from landing, then I rather wonder if its also partly a technique issue. Any thoughts of setting up cameras and recording the sparring in future? I personally found its a good way to dissect my errors in footwork and the likes, and also spot some shoulder positioning that was'nt ideal. might be useful to identify how the blows were thrown.

I'd love to know the cross-section distal thickness on that blade, or study the remains of the poor thing and see where it failed, and how it was designed originally. (is that sort of post-mortem study a spathasection, I wonder?)

That piqued my curiousity as well. It has long been said that fighting with rattan does not teach us how to properly throw blows with steet swords. I sure learned a bunch when I changed over to C&T.

Nissan can you tell us how it went down and in what planes and places the sword is tweaked?

[Nissan Maxima]

Ouch.
that's impressive.

a hilt failing in two planes of direction is something I've not encountered much before.

was that solely gripping the hilt, or also performing murder-strokes and hookings from a blade-grip?
(mmm. Mortschlach. Fun.)

if it was a failure from just gripping, then I'm really impressed. or maybe unimpressed. if that makes any sense. If it was from the torque force from throwing the blow, or the impact shock of landing a blow is also a detail which I'd be interested to know, but I fear, is unlikely to be easily identified unless you remember the actual moment of failure. if its from landing, then I rather wonder if its also partly a technique issue. Any thoughts of setting up cameras and recording the sparring in future? I personally found its a good way to dissect my errors in footwork and the likes, and also spot some shoulder positioning that was'nt ideal. might be useful to identify how the blows were thrown.

I'd love to know the cross-section distal thickness on that blade, or study the remains of the poor thing and see where it failed, and how it was designed originally. (is that sort of post-mortem study a spathasection, I wonder?)

That piqued my curiousity as well. It has long been said that fighting with rattan does not teach us how to properly throw blows with steet swords. I sure learned a bunch when I changed over to C&T.

Nissan can you tell us how it went down and in what planes and places the sword is tweaked?

There were several failures. The torque of the shots and my friend's technique (some not perfectly edge on shots) put stresses on the junction of tang and blade. The guard itself broke due to contact at speed and force with the bronze guard of my rattan sword.

[LOGOS]

Some day the Battle of Thirty will be fought with steel.

Probably not in our lifetime...

In the USA. Most countries aren't as litigious as America. The Eastern Europeans could do it now if sixty fighters were inclined to do so.

It might be fought in Ontario within a decade if our current pace of growth continues. We have three groups within reasonable driving distance that do full contact rebated steel combat. The SCA isn't the only place the Battle of the Thirty could be re-enacted.

Of course. I implied within the SCA because the COTT occurs at Pennsic so it is more or less an SCA activity. Anything can happen outside the SCA. It is not just the litigious nature of the US that prevents it happening, but entrenched SCA interests as well. Trust me, we've been trying. (By the way, the US pretty much inherited it's litigious mind-set - Chaucer spent far more time suing than he did writing).

As awsome as I find the COTT, I'm just not interested in spending several grand on a 14th c. kit. Can I find a couple of dozen people in the eastern half of North America interested in doing a late 16th/early 17th c. rebated steel, armor as worn battle?

[Kel Rekuta]

As awsome as I find the COTT, I'm just not interested in spending several grand on a 14th c. kit. Can I find a couple of dozen people in the eastern half of North America interested in doing a late 16th/early 17th c. rebated steel, armor as worn battle?

Yeah, I hear you. I'd like to leave the 14th-15thC stuff for a change to do Border Reiver engagements. Nooo-body here is interested.

[Johann ColdIron]

Can I find a couple of dozen people in the eastern half of North America interested in doing a late 16th/early 17th c. rebated steel, armor as worn battle?

Raises hand! Just have to finish my peascod. Heck most of the folks in Gardeners Company and affiliates are already geared up and game. Most are in Atlantia and doing Cut and trust. It's a natural progression to add the armour as worn.

It was nice to cross swords with you at Pennsic and to hang out at the Gardeners lawn party this year.

[LOGOS]

Can I find a couple of dozen people in the eastern half of North America interested in doing a late 16th/early 17th c. rebated steel, armor as worn battle?

Raises hand! Just have to finish my peascod. Heck most of the folks in Gardeners Company and affiliates are already geared up and game. Most are in Atlantia and doing Cut and trust. It's a natural progression to add the armour as worn.

It was nice to cross swords with you at Pennsic and to hang out at the Gardeners lawn party this year.

You as well, Johann. I'll try to keep you posted on the plans.

I'm still waiting for my cuirass and bridle guantlet. I need to start the new buff coat too...

[Ron Broberg]

Can I find a couple of dozen people in the eastern half of North America interested in doing a late 16th/early 17th c. rebated steel, armor as worn battle?

I'm in the west half, but ...

This <s>might be </s> is my next weapon purchase:
(Hoping to modify to satisfy Adria standards)
http://www.swordnation.com/Pole-Axe-Hea ... xb0099.htm

[Lucian Ro]

Nissan, you bringing that BoN kit to Gulf Wars? I'll practice with you.

GreenShield

Awesome, man.
Yep, I am. We will have to go offsite to fight full speed full contact with steel, or we will both get kicked out of the SCA. We can do it in my hotel parking lot.

You got it. I will be on site from Wednesday evening on. I'm pretty easy to find but I'll shoot you a cell number so we can track each other down.

G

Nissan keep me in the loop as to when this is going down, I want to spectate, possibly even partake if my gear is up to snuff by then (although I fear I'll be little sport for either you or Duke Camric).
Sounds like fun.

[Edward MacTavish]

I would try my utmost to attend a COTT with rebated steel. As long as it was within driving distance, 24 hours of road time or less I could make it. Might even be willing to go further if the prospects are really good.

Edward

[Ghosteh]

I'm hoping to attend Gulf Wars this year, and would really, really be interested in trying or seeing this live steel thing go down. Very intereted.

[Chris - GSMBristol]

Can I find a couple of dozen people in the eastern half of North America interested in doing a late 16th/early 17th c. rebated steel, armor as worn battle?

Raises hand! Just have to finish my peascod. Heck most of the folks in Gardeners Company and affiliates are already geared up and game. Most are in Atlantia and doing Cut and trust. It's a natural progression to add the armour as worn.

It was nice to cross swords with you at Pennsic and to hang out at the Gardeners lawn party this year.

You as well, Johann. I'll try to keep you posted on the plans.

I'm still waiting for my cuirass and bridle guantlet. I need to start the new buff coat too...

Tim, I'm in and probably a few of my guys too. Keep me in the loop.

[Lucian Ro]

Nissan, are you going with another one of Duke Icefalcon's swords or do you have others that you'll be using?
I want to pick some steel up as a lil' Christmas present to myself so I'll have something to play with at Gulf Wars (that is if I can't find people local to try it with prior) so I'm curious where to purchase something thats been field-tested but is still affordable.

[Nissan Maxima]

Suzerain is making me a bespoke sword. I don't think he'll mind if I post a picture. This design is appropriate to the second hlf of the 14th century.

I do have an Icefalcon purchased arming sword but I do not really trust it. No slight to Ice, he didn't make it, he was just thinking of selling them and I bought his sales smple after he decided not to stock them.

[Leo Medii]

As awsome as I find the COTT, I'm just not interested in spending several grand on a 14th c. kit. Can I find a couple of dozen people in the eastern half of North America interested in doing a late 16th/early 17th c. rebated steel, armor as worn battle?

You just have to know the right people. There are several 14th C mafia guys who have more than one kit in our kingdom.

I can tell you for a fact that your knowledge of historical techniques, and practicing for a blow that lasts beyond the "one touch kill" will really make this a fun endeavor should you wish it.

[Lucian Ro]

Okay, since His Grace Icefalcon no longer carries this kind of sword are there any suppliers in the states that offer an inexpensive one-handed sword for those of us that would like to try this out but don't want to sink major bucks cash into it?

Edit to add: Or if anyone is looking to get rid of used one, hmmm ...

[Nissan Maxima]

Some information can be gleaned here:
http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/ ... highlight=

[Jonny Deuteronomy]

Can I find a couple of dozen people in the eastern half of North America interested in doing a late 16th/early 17th c. rebated steel, armor as worn battle?

I am pretty much ready to go including some basic Fiore training and 3 Chen practical bastard swords.

[Greenshield]

Okay, since His Grace Icefalcon no longer carries this kind of sword are there any suppliers in the states that offer an inexpensive one-handed sword for those of us that would like to try this out but don't want to sink major bucks cash into it?

Edit to add: Or if anyone is looking to get rid of used one, hmmm ...

Lucian,

If you are planning to join Nissan and I at the Super Secret Squirrel Practice at GW I will bring my spare swords for you to try out. Not for sale though

GreenShield

[Lucian Ro]

Okay, since His Grace Icefalcon no longer carries this kind of sword are there any suppliers in the states that offer an inexpensive one-handed sword for those of us that would like to try this out but don't want to sink major bucks cash into it?

Edit to add: Or if anyone is looking to get rid of used one, hmmm ...

Lucian,

If you are planning to join Nissan and I at the Super Secret Squirrel Practice at GW I will bring my spare swords for you to try out. Not for sale though

GreenShield

Thank you, Sir Camric. I look forward to renewing our acquaintance at next years Gulf Wars, it was a pleasure meeting you at last.

I've read through the other threads regarding the general serviceability of Del Tins so what about the Hanwei Practicals? Are they along the same line in functionality and durability as the Del Tins?
http://www.hanweishop.com/proddetail.php?prod=SH2046
I have a contact that can get them for wholesale so I thought it might be worth it to kick around with for a bit until I could save up to purchase something nicer.

[Lucian Ro]

I've read through the other threads regarding the general serviceability of Del Tins so what about the Hanwei Practicals?
Are they along the same line in functionality and durability as the Del Tins?
http://www.hanweishop.com/proddetail.php?prod=SH2046

Lil' bump for opinions.

[deflagratio]

I've used a Hanwei practical for WMA sparring. My fittings have come a little loose but nothing bad. The length of the hilt makes it a little hard to truly grip with two hands but nothing that isn't easily overcome. I would comfortable use it with a buckler if need be. All and all I have found it to me a nice starter sword. It has handled sparring and contact drills about once a week for 6-9 months straight and I would still use it. Now I would probably be looking into getting something a little longer in handle and blade right now as I have a better Idea of what I want.

Honestly the best things about these blades is they do work and for less than the price of many of the nicer longswords out there you can have two and have instant loaner gear with matching length.

[J.G.Elmslie]

I've read through the other threads regarding the general serviceability of Del Tins so what about the Hanwei Practicals?
Are they along the same line in functionality and durability as the Del Tins?
http://www.hanweishop.com/proddetail.php?prod=SH2046

Lil' bump for opinions.

My personal opinion is biased, in that I have access to Armourclass blades which really are in a whole different league.

but having handled the hanwei practical longsword, federschwert, baskethilted backsword, rapiers and a few others, my general opinion is that they are good quality budget swords, which happen to have acceptable build quality for the price.

what they dont have is great steel; we normally only use hanweis against other hanwei blades, as in use against armourclass' rebated blunts, they get chewed up pretty quickly.

the ones my group have have generally held up ok, but we tend to be relatively lightweight sparring for most of the group members.