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Friends,

If you were holding off from coming to fight at the Battle of Hastings this coming Pennsic because you have no maille shirt and no money, I just found this online.
It is indeed cheap and you get what you pay for, and yet it is maille...

This shirt http://www.iotcusa.com/pro/item/ir808112.jpg
http://www.iotcusa.com/products/items/item2431.html

Same stuff sold on Ebay, but cheaper.

Is being sold for $75 bucks. cheapest I have seen. I am sure it can be used as a starter and at that price, if it lasts you 2 or 3 seasons you are still ahead of the game.

A quality shirt from Icefalcon it is not (if you can by all means, his stuff is awesome) but it will get you on the field.


It is mid October, Edward the Confessor is getting more and more sick. Word is he may not live much past Christmas or the new year... Whoever is crowned after him, there may be trouble.... We all know he promised the crown to Duke William, but I fear the Godwins may be planning something...

See also this.

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Medieval-METAL- ... 4153b18360

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For a few more pennies you can get from here too.

https://ssl.perfora.net/www.finditarmor ... shopscript

And if you have proper soft kit over your hard kit you shouldn't be excluded for not having mail.

Glaukos the Athenian wrote:It is mid October, Edward the Confessor is getting more and more sick. Word is he may not live much past Christmas or the new year... Whoever is crowned after him, there may be trouble.... We all know he promised the crown to Duke William, but I fear the Godwins may be planning something...

He promised no such thing! The day he died, he commended his family and his kingdom into the hands of Harold! And, in any case, it is the wittan not the old king who by law must select the new, and we all know that the wittan has (will?) elected Harold.

Too bad they don't have the XXXL size....

The stuff on the site...is there any info about it? That looks tight on a little dude. The site is woefully short on any info about construction or size.

But on the plus side, there is this:

http://www.iotcusa.com/products/items/item2243.html

Bwahahahahahahahaaaa!!!!!!!!

Thanks!
Christopher

As was stated before, maille is not a requirement for entry (at least it wasn't last year). Now be aware, maille does allow you to "shuck" a blow, even though most of us forgot about that aspect.

*insert personal opinion*
If you are going to go for maille, please make sure the rest of your kit would justify it. Don't go for low end and then add expensive maille. Vice Versa goes too. Make sure you are correct socio-economically for the time.

*end personal opinion*

Glaukos the Athenian wrote:It is indeed cheap and you get what you pay for, and yet it is maille...

First off, as already mentioned, you don't need maille to fight at Hastings.

Second, I think you're not allowed to wear that shirt at Hastings. IIRC butted maille isn't allowed, only riveted. Also, that shirt looks like aluminium or zinc-coated steel or something. Also not allowed IIRC.

Edit: The Vikings (who organise Hastings) have a document from 2000 on their website that states that shiny mail (alu, zinc) is outlawed and that they plan to phase out butted mail. They also state that if you wear maille, the rest of your kit has to match. That is, you have to be of the upper class.

Your much better off with just a gambeson if you're planning to go to hastings. Or spend some more money and get nice maille from e.g. Cap-a-pie.

Sander Marechal wrote:

Glaukos the Athenian wrote:It is indeed cheap and you get what you pay for, and yet it is maille...

First off, as already mentioned, you don't need maille to fight at Hastings.

Second, I think you're not allowed to wear that shirt at Hastings. IIRC butted maille isn't allowed, only riveted. Also, that shirt looks like aluminium or zinc-coated steel or something. Also not allowed IIRC.

Edit: The Vikings (who organise Hastings) have a document from 2000 on their website that states that shiny mail (alu, zinc) is outlawed and that they plan to phase out butted mail. They also state that if you wear maille, the rest of your kit has to match. That is, you have to be of the upper class.

Your much better off with just a gambeson if you're planning to go to hastings. Or spend some more money and get nice maille from e.g. Cap-a-pie.

Your not wrong Sander, but this is I suspect the "Hastings" battle at Pennsic that is being discussed not the annual reenactment in the UK...as such the requirements for participation are different.

JohannM wrote:Your not wrong Sander, but this is I suspect the "Hastings" battle at Pennsic that is being discussed not the annual reenactment in the UK...as such the requirements for participation are different.

Hmm... might want to label it a bit different than just "Hastings" for us non-SCA folk then

My mistake, and my apologies.


The idea is not to push people into doing anything, but rather hope that the past edition of the battle at Pennsic would be an inspiration to raise the bar of our armour.

If the guys in the later periods can do it



and our brothers in England can do it..



One would hope we can try harder.

In service of which I took the liberty of looking for inexpensive maille for those who may not be able to afford the best stuff, and yet want to look more accurate on the field. Common sense applies of course, but I was hoping to show that there are options besides expensive stuff.

Oswyn, Bleddyn

I am not sure about this year, but I believe Owyn and Sir Graedwyn expressed their preference for maille, but gave a first year pass to people who did not have time or could not quickly come up with maille for this past year. (Including myself, that is how I made it BTW).

Besides, I have a standing offer of Mead and Cider prizes for the 4 kits showing the best effort... (2 Norman and 2 Saxon) and I believe this is a thirsty lot...

I believe we can always try to do better. Especially when it is being done already : http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/ ... p?t=123316



Respectfully,

Glaukos the Athenian

Glaukos the Athenian wrote:
One would hope we can try harder.

Glaukos the Athenian

One would hope, and actually quite a few do, but by no means all.

Actually I think "We can try harder" needs to be translated into Latin. It should be the by-line for most of the historic combat series tournies and battles.

Sean

Glaukos the Athenian wrote:I am not sure about this year, but I believe Owyn and Sir Graedwyn expressed their preference for maille, but gave a first year pass to people who did not have time or could not quickly come up with maille for this past year. (Including myself, that is how I made it BTW).

Not to offend, but I don't think it would be a good re-creation of Hastings if you didn't have a couple of poor schmucks from the fyrd.

Sean Powell wrote:

Glaukos the Athenian wrote:
One would hope we can try harder.

Glaukos the Athenian

One would hope, and actually quite a few do, but by no means all.

Actually I think "We can try harder" needs to be translated into Latin. It should be the by-line for most of the historic combat series tournies and battles.

Sean

"Experiri possumus durius"

Bleddyn De Caldicot wrote:

Glaukos the Athenian wrote:I am not sure about this year, but I believe Owyn and Sir Graedwyn expressed their preference for maille, but gave a first year pass to people who did not have time or could not quickly come up with maille for this past year. (Including myself, that is how I made it BTW).

Not to offend, but I don't think it would be a good re-creation of Hastings if you didn't have a couple of poor schmucks from the fyrd.

No offense taken, I don't have a maille fetish, and surely most of the guys from the Fyrd did NOT own hauberks, and the Bayeux Tapestry may be limiting its scope of the battle the parts that "mattered" . What I do hope for is a better, more period correct look, in whatever aspect one has chosen to represent.

There for example, is little wrong with this http://www.pixures.be/hast/ings3/images/hst63018.jpg in my opinion.

I may have misstated the intent, which was more to follow the spirit rather than the narrow letter of the "requirements". I think the best way I can find to explain this is by people to see you in harness and know exactly where you are going....

Look good yourself, and if each of us works even a little at this, we all look better. A way for all of us to improve our common Franchise...

Glaukos the Athenian wrote:See also this.

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Medieval-METAL- ... 4153b18360

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Is he holding a katana?

Sander Marechal wrote:

Glaukos the Athenian wrote:It is indeed cheap and you get what you pay for, and yet it is maille...

First off, as already mentioned, you don't need maille to fight at Hastings.

Second, I think you're not allowed to wear that shirt at Hastings. IIRC butted maille isn't allowed, only riveted. Also, that shirt looks like aluminium or zinc-coated steel or something. Also not allowed IIRC.

Edit: The Vikings (who organise Hastings) have a document from 2000 on their website that states that shiny mail (alu, zinc) is outlawed and that they plan to phase out butted mail. They also state that if you wear maille, the rest of your kit has to match. That is, you have to be of the upper class.

Your much better off with just a gambeson if you're planning to go to hastings. Or spend some more money and get nice maille from e.g. Cap-a-pie.

I haven't been to Hastings the last few years but in 2006 I still saw both butted maille and rivited aluminium maille. That last is the worst, in my opinion. When the sun shines it glitters like a fish. Even at several hundred yards away it stands out.

RenJunkie wrote:But on the plus side, there is this:

http://www.iotcusa.com/products/items/item2243.html

WTF?!

Glaukos the Athenian wrote:

Bleddyn De Caldicot wrote:

Glaukos the Athenian wrote:I am not sure about this year, but I believe Owyn and Sir Graedwyn expressed their preference for maille, but gave a first year pass to people who did not have time or could not quickly come up with maille for this past year. (Including myself, that is how I made it BTW).

Not to offend, but I don't think it would be a good re-creation of Hastings if you didn't have a couple of poor schmucks from the fyrd.

No offense taken, I don't have a maille fetish, and surely most of the guys from the Fyrd did NOT own hauberks, and the Bayeux Tapestry may be limiting its scope of the battle the parts that "mattered" . What I do hope for is a better, more period correct look, in whatever aspect one has chosen to represent.

There for example, is little wrong with this http://www.pixures.be/hast/ings3/images/hst63018.jpg in my opinion.

I may have misstated the intent, which was more to follow the spirit rather than the narrow letter of the "requirements". I think the best way I can find to explain this is by people to see you in harness and know exactly where you are going....

Look good yourself, and if each of us works even a little at this, we all look better. A way for all of us to improve our common Franchise...

I am in agreement with you. Just seemed people were stating that mail was required to take part in Pennsic's Hastings which would discourage people with good appropriate un-armoured kits and people like myself who are thinking of wrangling an appropriate helm but do not wish to cut their mail up for one battle.

Alecks wrote:

Glaukos the Athenian wrote:See also this.

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Medieval-METAL- ... 4153b18360

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Is he holding a katana?

:

It appears to be a long seax

Bleddyn De Caldicot wrote: do not wish to cut their mail up for one battle.

Gosh no! That would be crazy...

Sander Marechal wrote:

JohannM wrote:Your not wrong Sander, but this is I suspect the "Hastings" battle at Pennsic that is being discussed not the annual reenactment in the UK...as such the requirements for participation are different.

Hmm... might want to label it a bit different than just "Hastings" for us non-SCA folk then

It was.
(bolding mine)

Battle of Hastings this coming Pennsic

Personally I would like to see it evolve into an earlier period "battle of thirty" environment.

However, since this is a battle of armies, not high ranking knights I think we should allow the peasant levies to be involved.

Maille clad warriors armed and armoured appropriately for a Norman/Saxon encounter (keep an option open for good vikingesque kits to help with numbers), and unarmoured peasants.

I'm hoping to make Pennsic next year, and would love to be in the Hastings battle. I've still got my old butted hauberk, and could make a great-axe -- but I'm not sure my helmet would pass. What are the appearance requirements?

Adriano wrote:I'm hoping to make Pennsic next year, and would love to be in the Hastings battle. I've still got my old butted hauberk, and could make a great-axe -- but I'm not sure my helmet would pass. What are the appearance requirements?

Excellent!

Please see this thread from earlier this year...

http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/ ... le+pennsic

Glaukos

Thanks, Glaukos!

generichead wrote:

Alecks wrote:

Glaukos the Athenian wrote:See also this.

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Medieval-METAL- ... 4153b18360

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Is he holding a katana?

:

It appears to be a long seax

No, it's a Scottish weapon called a Caultonach, historically wielded by the Seamorreigh Clan.

spearweasel wrote:No, it's a Scottish weapon called a Caultonach, historically wielded by the Seamorreigh Clan.

Hmm, a google search revealed absolutely nothing about that weapon. Got any more info?

Vladimir wrote:

spearweasel wrote:No, it's a Scottish weapon called a Caultonach, historically wielded by the Seamorreigh Clan.

Hmm, a google search revealed absolutely nothing about that weapon. Got any more info?

I think he was making a smart ass comment about kilt wearing Samurai. "Caultonach" phonetically sounds like Celto o nachi and "Seamorreigh" Samurai.