What are the specs for swords used in steel combat?
Can someone put together a listing of specs from different groups (including Adrian empire and other non-reenactment ones?)
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dmitriy:
<B>What are the specs for swords used in steel combat?
Can someone put together a listing of specs from different groups (including Adrian empire and other non-reenactment ones?)
-D</B></font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The specs and combat rules in Adria are at:
http://www.adrianempire.org
under library/manuals look for the Combat manual.
There is an Adrian Empire group in the Bay area called Tierra del Fuego, but I'm not sure how many steel fighters are active. Most of the events are in the Vallejo area.
They'd probably help any SCA fighters who want to try it out.
In Adria, the swords cannot fit into a legal helm opening more than 3/4". The legal opening cannot be more than 3/4", which is about the inside diameter of a large washer. Most people wear various types of 14 ga perf over all openings in their helms.
Here is the weapons rules:
H. Weapons: Armored Combat
All weapons must meet with the approval of the Imperial or Crown Marshal or Minister of Joust and War,and conform to the following guidelines:
1. Swords and Daggers
• Minimum 18 inches blade length for slashing or thrusting weapons (measured from the ricasso).
• Blades under 18 inches in length are for thrusting only and require legal thrusting tips.
• Minimum one inch (1") blade width measured two inches (2") from the tip.
• Tips of swords shall be rounded such that they do not come to a chisel point and shall not protrude more than three-quarter-inch (3/4") into a legal helm.
• Overall weight not to exceed four (4) pounds for single-handed swords
• Overall weight not to exceed eight (8) pounds for hand-and-a-half or two-handed swords.
2. Other Single-Handed Weapons
Although many kinds of weapons may be purchased and suitable for use in combat, homemade
weapons are still allowed.
• The striking surfaces of all weapons must be metal.
• Overall weapon length is not to exceed 36 inches.
• One-handed thrust-only spears shall not exceed the maximum overall length of 60 inches. A short pole-arm with a thrusting tip may be used one-handed for thrusting if it is no longer than 60 inches in length.
• Weight is not to exceed four (4) pounds overall, with a maximum head weight of two (2) pounds. Weigh the head by supporting the weapon in the middle and weighing the head end.
• Thrusting tips shall consist of no less than a one-and-one-half inch (1.5") sphere, or one inch (1") flat surface, fixed to the end of the shaft or blade (a pipe cap on the end of a spear is also acceptable).
• Chopping edges (e.g. axe blade, mace flanges) shall be no thinner than one-eight-inch (1/8") and have no smaller curvature than a two-inch (2") diameter circle on the striking surface.
• Hooks shall have no smaller curvature than a one-inch (1") diameter circle and no less striking surface curvature than a chopping edge. Hooks shall not extend more than four inches (4") from the shaft.
• Hammer heads shall be no less than one inch (1") in diameter. Any square corners must be rounded so as not to leave angular dents in an opponent’s armor.
• Butt spikes must be identifiable and conform to the standards for thrusting tips.
• No hooks, points or striking surfaces shall protrude more than three-quarter inch (3/4") into a legal helm.
• Undisguised aluminum weapons are not allowed.
3. Pole Arms and Jousting Weapons
• All pole weapons must have some kind of metal striking surface at one or both ends to be considered lethal to an armored combatant.
• Pole weapons may be constructed with any of the features described for single-handed
weapons provided they conform to the same dimensions.
• Pole weapons shall weigh no more than eight (8) pounds overall.
• Pole weapons weighing more than four (4) pounds overall may not be used one-handed for
offense though they may be used for defense. However, a pole-arm no longer than 60 inches,
with a legal thrusting tip, may be used one-handed for thrusting.
• Pole weapons shall not exceed the maximum overall length of 120 inches.
Adrian fighting can be full speed, but not full power. So rather than pushing through with the hit, you break your wrist and pull the return, however any unimpeded hit is good. There are no minimum power requirements and due to the noise factor, marshals/judges can call blows if the combattants do not. Honestly its really easy not to feel blows when the sounds a blow makes is the same as armor clanking and it doesn't have to be hard.
Juliana
<B>What are the specs for swords used in steel combat?
Can someone put together a listing of specs from different groups (including Adrian empire and other non-reenactment ones?)
-D</B></font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The specs and combat rules in Adria are at:
http://www.adrianempire.org
under library/manuals look for the Combat manual.
There is an Adrian Empire group in the Bay area called Tierra del Fuego, but I'm not sure how many steel fighters are active. Most of the events are in the Vallejo area.
They'd probably help any SCA fighters who want to try it out.
In Adria, the swords cannot fit into a legal helm opening more than 3/4". The legal opening cannot be more than 3/4", which is about the inside diameter of a large washer. Most people wear various types of 14 ga perf over all openings in their helms.
Here is the weapons rules:
H. Weapons: Armored Combat
All weapons must meet with the approval of the Imperial or Crown Marshal or Minister of Joust and War,and conform to the following guidelines:
1. Swords and Daggers
• Minimum 18 inches blade length for slashing or thrusting weapons (measured from the ricasso).
• Blades under 18 inches in length are for thrusting only and require legal thrusting tips.
• Minimum one inch (1") blade width measured two inches (2") from the tip.
• Tips of swords shall be rounded such that they do not come to a chisel point and shall not protrude more than three-quarter-inch (3/4") into a legal helm.
• Overall weight not to exceed four (4) pounds for single-handed swords
• Overall weight not to exceed eight (8) pounds for hand-and-a-half or two-handed swords.
2. Other Single-Handed Weapons
Although many kinds of weapons may be purchased and suitable for use in combat, homemade
weapons are still allowed.
• The striking surfaces of all weapons must be metal.
• Overall weapon length is not to exceed 36 inches.
• One-handed thrust-only spears shall not exceed the maximum overall length of 60 inches. A short pole-arm with a thrusting tip may be used one-handed for thrusting if it is no longer than 60 inches in length.
• Weight is not to exceed four (4) pounds overall, with a maximum head weight of two (2) pounds. Weigh the head by supporting the weapon in the middle and weighing the head end.
• Thrusting tips shall consist of no less than a one-and-one-half inch (1.5") sphere, or one inch (1") flat surface, fixed to the end of the shaft or blade (a pipe cap on the end of a spear is also acceptable).
• Chopping edges (e.g. axe blade, mace flanges) shall be no thinner than one-eight-inch (1/8") and have no smaller curvature than a two-inch (2") diameter circle on the striking surface.
• Hooks shall have no smaller curvature than a one-inch (1") diameter circle and no less striking surface curvature than a chopping edge. Hooks shall not extend more than four inches (4") from the shaft.
• Hammer heads shall be no less than one inch (1") in diameter. Any square corners must be rounded so as not to leave angular dents in an opponent’s armor.
• Butt spikes must be identifiable and conform to the standards for thrusting tips.
• No hooks, points or striking surfaces shall protrude more than three-quarter inch (3/4") into a legal helm.
• Undisguised aluminum weapons are not allowed.
3. Pole Arms and Jousting Weapons
• All pole weapons must have some kind of metal striking surface at one or both ends to be considered lethal to an armored combatant.
• Pole weapons may be constructed with any of the features described for single-handed
weapons provided they conform to the same dimensions.
• Pole weapons shall weigh no more than eight (8) pounds overall.
• Pole weapons weighing more than four (4) pounds overall may not be used one-handed for
offense though they may be used for defense. However, a pole-arm no longer than 60 inches,
with a legal thrusting tip, may be used one-handed for thrusting.
• Pole weapons shall not exceed the maximum overall length of 120 inches.
Adrian fighting can be full speed, but not full power. So rather than pushing through with the hit, you break your wrist and pull the return, however any unimpeded hit is good. There are no minimum power requirements and due to the noise factor, marshals/judges can call blows if the combattants do not. Honestly its really easy not to feel blows when the sounds a blow makes is the same as armor clanking and it doesn't have to be hard.
Juliana
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dmitriy:
<B>What are the specs for swords used in steel combat?
Can someone put together a listing of specs from different groups (including Adrian empire and other non-reenactment ones?)
-D</B></font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Dmitry,
If you ever travel down South and you want to try it, let us know. Even if your SCA armor wouldn't work, someone around here probably has armor that would fit you.
BTW, the Adrian's in the Bay area helped with this past Swordsmanship Symposium and I think they put on the feast. The group there has a pretty high level of authenticity.
Juliana
<B>What are the specs for swords used in steel combat?
Can someone put together a listing of specs from different groups (including Adrian empire and other non-reenactment ones?)
-D</B></font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Dmitry,
If you ever travel down South and you want to try it, let us know. Even if your SCA armor wouldn't work, someone around here probably has armor that would fit you.
BTW, the Adrian's in the Bay area helped with this past Swordsmanship Symposium and I think they put on the feast. The group there has a pretty high level of authenticity.
Juliana
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Hi
The sword and other weapon specs for The Vikings are here:
http://www.geocities.com/guthroth99/wspecs.html
the combat helm and glove rules here: http://www.geocities.com/guthroth99/helm.html
And the information about the course three weeks ago here:
http://www.geocities.com/guthroth99/intro.html
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Guðroð of Colanhomm
Literature stops in 1100.
After that it's just books.
J.R.R. Tolkien
The sword and other weapon specs for The Vikings are here:
http://www.geocities.com/guthroth99/wspecs.html
the combat helm and glove rules here: http://www.geocities.com/guthroth99/helm.html
And the information about the course three weeks ago here:
http://www.geocities.com/guthroth99/intro.html
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Guðroð of Colanhomm
Literature stops in 1100.
After that it's just books.
J.R.R. Tolkien