SCA legal Kong?

Halbrust · Post by **Halbrust** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:54 am

http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.j ... id=prod_cs

I'm imagining this, with every other "bar" cut off, attached to the end of a stick of rattan. Is that SCA legal? In Caid?

-Halbrust

Saritor · Post by **Saritor** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:17 am

I don't recommend the medium size.

Small, on the other hand, have been used for more than a couple of nice-looking maces on the Archive. No clue about Caid, though.

Halbrust · Post by **Halbrust** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:18 am

Small? I was thinking large or XL

Count Johnathan · Post by **Count Johnathan** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:45 am

That particular design is more friendly because it compresses quite a bit and weighs very little. I was going to use a nylabone rhino cone that I made and I didn't even bring it to the marshals for inspection. I left it at camp were it sat... safely... harming nobody.

I didn't like the idea of it being used against me so I don't feel it is appropriate for use against others. Bummer too. It's an awsome looking mace head but too dense. Not really heavy but unfriendly anyway.

Caid marshals handbook

They follow SCA guidelines 100% with very few kingdom specific additions which are written in blue. I saw nothing against those particular heads. The kong head I mean. :wink:

Alex Baird · Post by **Alex Baird** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:09 am

Shouldn't be a problem in Caid. As Count Jonathon says, we stick pretty close to Society rules. I believe that other Kong dog toys have been used as pommels/quillon strikers in our half-swording experimental program, run by Duke Guillame (IIRC).

Konstantin the Red · Post by **Konstantin the Red** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:09 am

I think most Kong mace makers use the larger two sizes and just press the entire head on, as is, gluing it into place on the end of the stave. Keeps the striking surface in the proper 1.25" minimum breadth. The fit is very tight.

Cailin · Post by **Cailin** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:16 am

Here's one made from an xl kong.

Works great. Need to make another one.

DukeAvery · Post by **DukeAvery** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:24 am

Count Johnathan wrote:... I was going to use a nylabone rhino cone that I made and I didn't even bring it to the marshals for inspection. I left it at camp were it sat...

Thank you for that, Sir Johnathan.

Regards

Avery

Cailin · Post by **Cailin** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:20 pm

Further more, cutting on those things sucks. Its almost like they're designed to resist coming apart or something. It was a bear just to get the holes wide enough for rattan to go through the middle.

Halbrust · Post by **Halbrust** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:49 pm

Cailin wrote:Further more, cutting on those things sucks. Its almost like they're designed to resist coming apart or something.

That actually made me laugh, good job.

Count Johnathan · Post by **Count Johnathan** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:34 pm

Don't cut the head. Make the stick longer than you want the end result to be. Taper the end until it is smaller than the hole in the kong. Lube the stick with dish soap. Stick the head on. It will move very easy. Once in place wipe the excess soap off. When it dries it will be very firmly attached. Cut the stick to the appropriate length add a tip or whatever.

That is... if the holes are round. Those might have that stupid bone shaped hole in them. If it isn't round you will have to cut it. :oops:

Cailin · Post by **Cailin** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:49 pm

Count Johnathan wrote:That is... if the holes are round. Those might have that stupid bone shaped hole in them. If it isn't round you will have to cut it.

These days, one hole is cross shaped, which you can shove the rattan through. the other one is kinda like a key hole. Gotta cut it, unfortunately.

Thorsteinn Raudskeggr · Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:34 pm

I used a XL head as well and found it to be a bit big for me. Jarl Rolf uses a med to lg I think and he has had great sucess. When I can I will go to the smaller one nd see how that goes.

On the up side, I have NEVER had a problem with the XL long hafted mace being counted.

-Ivan

Garret Thornwood · Post by **Garret Thornwood** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:17 pm

I have XL kong mace for several years and have used it in both Atlantia and Caid without much trouble. Defiantly use the large or XL the medium one doesn't compress enough. Mounting wise I used a hole saw and cut a hole in the top and wedge it on, then run strapping tape over it in each side all the way down to the rattan then one more along the base to lock it all down. Cover with chrome duck tape and your done.

Vladimir · Post by **Vladimir** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:47 am

I found the medium to be too small and light. I used a large. No complaints, and I have no fear of being hit with it either.

Adriano · Post by **Adriano** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:18 pm

Definitely illegal in Meridies, which is a shame.

Konstantin the Red · Post by **Konstantin the Red** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:00 pm

Win Crown and fix that... :twisted:

Edward MacTavish · Post by **Edward MacTavish** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:13 pm

Adriano wrote:Definitely illegal in Meridies, which is a shame.

I was suprised when you said this as I have one and have used it for many years in Meridies. I went back to the current rule book and did not find anything that would outlaw it. Under what provision is it illegal? I am not trying to start an argument just wanting to make sure I am not doing something wrong.

Edward

Adriano · Post by **Adriano** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:00 pm

Edward, I don't know if it's ever been written down in a Meridian Marshall's handbook, but they were banned in the kingdom in 2005; here's a relevant thread.

That was when Sir Artos was Earl Marshall. I was told the ban was based on an injury, but never got details. At the time, I had a Kong mace and didn't feel it was unsafe.

The ban definitely continued under Sir Morgan when he was Earl Marshall. He lives in my local group, and I periodically checked with him (probably to his annoyance).

The current Meridian Earl Marshall is Sir Seth of Newcastle. I haven't seen any announcement, but it's possible the ban has been lifted. If you'd like to check, you can e-mail him at: earl.marshal@meridies.org

Blackoak · Post by **Blackoak** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:07 pm

It is utter nonsense to make a kong illegal and allow a neoprene axe head.
At least I think so. :roll:

We use the kongs in Gleann Abhann without issues.

Uric

Varukh · Post by **Varukh** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:13 pm

i love my kong mace...looks great...feels good when wielding it. Only drawback is that it doesn't smack when you hit someone's helm with it so sometimes a good blow goes to waste since it kinda bounces and doesn't make much more noise than a thud. Or maybe i'm just too wimpy to smack em hard enough in the helm with it....that could be it.