Page 1 of 1
Pennons or banners on SCA spears...
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 5:31 am
by Glaukos the Athenian
Are they allowed?
If so what is the limitation on size to keep them safe?
Thanks!
Glaukos
Re: Pennons or banners on SCA spears...
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 8:40 am
by DarkApprentice
Yes they are allowed!
I knew this one dude who used this giant banner on his spear. it was so big it helped him block other spears from hitting him. It was cool but cheesy at the same time, so I don't recommend that big, but smaller ones are def neat.
You should consider one with an Elder sign on it to help ward off the Ancient Ones. It is almst 2012 and they are coming soon.
DA
Re: Pennons or banners on SCA spears...
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 9:20 am
by Corby de la Flamme
Don't put something on a spear that you would hate to lose. Combat is very rough on them. Mine rarely last more than one war.
Re: Pennons or banners on SCA spears...
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 10:20 am
by Morejello
Corby de la Flamme wrote:Don't put something on a spear that you would hate to lose. Combat is very rough on them. Mine rarely last more than one war.
Also keep in mind that a flapping banner is way easier to grab or otherwise entangle than a smooth spear shaft is by itself.
Re: Pennons or banners on SCA spears...
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 10:24 am
by Sir Omarad
4" x 12" is a good size.
Re: Pennons or banners on SCA spears...
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 10:53 am
by Glaukos the Athenian
Sir Omarad wrote:4" x 12" is a good size.
Excellent! That is more or less what I had in mind. I just wanted to make sure it was ok, though I did recall having seen them in the past.
Thank you!!!
Glaukos
the Athenian
Re: Pennons or banners on SCA spears...
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 10:54 am
by Nissan Maxima
I occasionally put a 6 foot long silk banner on my spear for major marketing opportunities.
Re: Pennons or banners on SCA spears...
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 10:56 am
by Skutai
I recommend a four foot strand of razor-wire.
Re: Pennons or banners on SCA spears...
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 11:25 am
by Donal Mac Ruiseart
I make spear pennons from grosgrain ribbon.
Take one strip of 2" wide grosgrain of each colour you want to use, a little more than a foot long (long enough so the final product would be about a foot long) and sew them together along their length. Taper one end just by trimming it (no need to hem it), then wrap the other end around the spear and sew it on (that is, sew the end to the place where it meets).
Grosgrain is tough, flexible, not terribly expensive, not particularly prone to fraying, and slippery; so that someone trying to grab it would not have an easy time. It will fray a bit, but that just produces a "fringe" effect. Hemming it would make it too stiff and easier to grab.
I had one on an old spear for several years. One Pennsic Woods Battle, a marshal told me I should take it off lest someone mistake it for a point banner; so I asked a chirurgeon to cut the stitches. Instead, she cut through the ribbon, leaving the band around the shaft. Ah well, I did say it's not expensive, but I had no means to replace it during the war.
Re: Pennons or banners on SCA spears...
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 1:08 pm
by Kilkenny
I've been known to use a longish pennon to entangle opponent's spears. It can get amusing
Re: Pennons or banners on SCA spears...
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 2:06 pm
by Diglach Mac Cein
Put it on wth velcro, and add a small tag:
This pennon redeemable for 1 beer - return to Glaukos, (Camp)
Make one per battle, and you'll meet new people!
D-
.
Re: Pennons or banners on SCA spears...
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 2:13 pm
by Uneg
Diglach mac Cein wrote:Put it on wth velcro, and add a small tag:
This pennon redeemable for 1 beer - return to Glaukos, (Camp)
Make one per battle, and you'll meet new people!
D-
.
I *really* like this idea. Thank you.
Re: Pennons or banners on SCA spears...
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 3:32 pm
by AEiric Orvender
tlast wrote:Diglach mac Cein wrote:Put it on wth velcro, and add a small tag:
This pennon redeemable for 1 beer - return to Glaukos, (Camp)
Make one per battle, and you'll meet new people!
D-
.
I *really* like this idea. Thank you.
Me too! Now to go get out the sewing machine!
Re: Pennons or banners on SCA spears...
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 3:34 pm
by Phelippe du Peiregore
AEiric Orvender wrote:tlast wrote:Diglach mac Cein wrote:Put it on wth velcro, and add a small tag:
This pennon redeemable for 1 beer - return to Glaukos, (Camp)
Make one per battle, and you'll meet new people!
D-
.
I *really* like this idea. Thank you.
Me too! Now to go get out the sewing machine!
Me three!
Re: Pennons or banners on SCA spears...
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 3:46 pm
by Tomburr
I'm going to come to wars with a dagger, a tower shield, and running shoes. I won't be paying for a drop of beer.
Re: Pennons or banners on SCA spears...
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 4:16 pm
by Rana
Diglach mac Cein wrote:Put it on wth velcro, and add a small tag:
This pennon redeemable for 1 beer - return to Glaukos, (Camp)
Make one per battle, and you'll meet new people!
D-
.
Fantastic idea!
Re: Pennons or banners on SCA spears...
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 12:06 am
by benz72
The one on the tail end of my 6' spear (that I fight with inverted) is about 15 x 20 in mid-weight cloth. It's getting a little torn up, but it only takes about 45 min to make including the charge and gromets. It's a few years old now.
Re: Pennons or banners on SCA spears...
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 12:28 am
by Jakob Hilditonn
Like it sez...
Re: Pennons or banners on SCA spears...
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 1:41 am
by ThorvaldR Skegglauss
Drachenwald Spears with pennons from Pennsic 38 and 39.
Re: Pennons or banners on SCA spears...
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 7:19 am
by AEiric Orvender
kinda off topic....
but this thread reminded me... I cant find where one can order the new low-profile spear-tips.
anyone got a link?
thanks.
Re: Pennons or banners on SCA spears...
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 8:15 am
by Dauyd
AEiric Orvender wrote:kinda off topic....
but this thread reminded me... I cant find where one can order the new low-profile spear-tips.
anyone got a link?
thanks.
Icefalcon has 'em:
http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon ... 3f5-p.html
Re: Pennons or banners on SCA spears...
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 8:51 am
by Kilkenny
And Windrose has the ones that are actually through the SEM's process and approved for use on fibreglass shafts....
Re: Pennons or banners on SCA spears...
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 9:57 am
by Glaukos the Athenian
Kilkenny wrote:And Windrose has the ones that are actually through the SEM's process and approved for use on fibreglass shafts....
Are those the same as the red ones? I don't believe so.
I looked over the Windrose website and I could not find the ones specifically meant for spears?
I can use THAT link if anyone has it...
Glaukos
Re: Pennons or banners on SCA spears...
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 10:00 am
by Tom B.
Kilkenny wrote:And Windrose has the ones that are actually through the SEM's process and approved for use on fibreglass shafts....
Windrose 2" Tip
Re: Pennons or banners on SCA spears...
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 10:01 am
by Glaukos the Athenian
Is this it?
http://www.windrosearmoury.com/zc/index ... ucts_id=66
Made from injection molded rubber these tips were designed in accordance to the Society Marshal rules for a Thrusting Tip. The tip measures 2 inches across the face and compresses at least 1/2 an inch.
Re: Pennons or banners on SCA spears...
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 11:02 am
by Dauyd
Kilkenny wrote:And Windrose has the ones that are actually through the SEM's process and approved for use on fibreglass shafts....
Does that mean Icefalcon's aren't legal, or just haven't been made official? I didn't realize there was a question about them.
Re: Pennons or banners on SCA spears...
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 11:04 am
by Sir Omarad
Glaukos the Athenian wrote:Is this it?
http://www.windrosearmoury.com/zc/index ... ucts_id=66Made from injection molded rubber these tips were designed in accordance to the Society Marshal rules for a Thrusting Tip. The tip measures 2 inches across the face and compresses at least 1/2 an inch.
These are allowed on fiberglass shafts up to 9' long.
Re: Pennons or banners on SCA spears...
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 11:07 am
by Sir Omarad
Dauyd wrote:And Windrose has the ones that are actually through the SEM's process and approved for use on fibreglass shafts....
Icefalcon tips are experimental in Kingdoms who are running the experiment.
They must follow the experimental weapon rules outlined in the handbook,
They are NOT legal at any event for general use unless cleared through the MIC of the event.
Does that mean Icefalcon's aren't legal, or just haven't been made official? I didn't realize there was a question about them.[/quote]
ICEFALCON SPEAR TIPS A NO-GO IN ATLANTIA
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 11:19 am
by Donal Mac Ruiseart
Atlantia's Earl Marshal has declared Icefalcon's 2" spear tips invalid until future notice.
There has been one instance of helm penetration where the tip touched the wearer's face. No one was injured, but he's being cautious. The letter below refers to the incident.
Sir Otto von Schwarzkatz, Earl Marshal of Atlantia, wrote:We had an issue with the 2” Icefalcon spear tip this weekend [of April 23-24]. We had a penetration of the eye slot of a legal helm. No injury occurred, but the penetration was deep enough to touch the wearer’s eyebrow. This violates Marshal’s Handbook section VII-A-10 “It shall not be possible to force any part of a weapon which may reasonably be expected to contact an opponent during combat more than 1/2 inch (12.7 mm) into a legal face guard.”
The 2” Icefalcon spear tips are no longer allowed to be used in Atlantia. This experiment is now closed.
Otto, Earl Marshal of Atlantia
edited for clarity - DeCalmont
CORRECTION
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 1:16 pm
by Donal Mac Ruiseart
There was only the one incident.
Although I was darn near sure that there was mention of another case, there was nothing about it in the inbox.
My apologies.