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Re: [SCA] Consent to Points of Contest
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:34 pm
by Mrmiles
Kilkenny wrote:Mrmiles wrote:Milan H wrote:All the more reasons for a counted blows system...
Boooo sorry, I disagree with counted blows system, u want counted blows mAke a counted blows tournament or make a brand new game. Or larp or something. Do you want 3 nuclear ass wraps from uther in one fight? I don't. And I like that it only takes one good shot before I can hit the ground and Die. It's like martial arts point sparring. And do people really think they will gain any advantage by being hit more times? I dunno, just my .02
but onto arming. I almost always give up my shield when I arm an opponent. Unless of course I am outclassed. And I generally ask my opponent to keep his/her advantage if they arm me. I don't get offended either way. I'm here to hit people
I like the way you think
Ha thanks your grace
i try not to open my mouth to much, but im glad someone agrees with me, at least every once in awhile.
Re: [SCA] Consent to Points of Contest
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:38 pm
by Mrmiles
DukeAlaric (George S.) wrote:As a new fighter I realized that a point of honor was simply me giving a better fighter a second chance. Whether or not I got lucky or used skill to take an arm or leg of a better opponent, I realized that I shouldn't have to "even" the fight by giving up a perceived "advantage", because the fight still wasn't even.
g-
Kind of reminds me of something my Martial Arts Instructor Sonny Titsworth used to say mind you this was in reference to being in a street fight. "Aint no Such thing as a fair Fight" your life might be on the line.
he would also say things like "Fight aint over bitch" after he kicked a tooth out of my face.
i miss that guy
Re: [SCA] Consent to Points of Contest
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:53 am
by Chadwyke
I could have sworn I was taught to fight till the opponent calls a shot good or the marshal calls a hold.
Re: [SCA] Consent to Points of Contest
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:46 pm
by Garick
I will keep an earned advantage to a point. If I hit a sword arm, my opponent has lost a shield and must fight off hand. The advantage is too great. I will drop my shield. I still retain the advantage of using my strong hand and the fight is more fun. If asked to keep it, I will probably concede, but the choice is mine not theirs.
If I take my opponents shield arm, I will keep my shield in tournament rather than set things back to equal. At practice I will drop my shield because single sword fights are fun.
If I take a leg, I do not give mine. The advantage is not great. A good fighter should be able to win from the ground. If I loose a leg I am still confident in my ability to be victorious. That might be different if I lived in place where the cup thrust to the forehead mugging of legged opponents was the norm.
This.
Re: [SCA] Consent to Points of Contest
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:43 pm
by Sigismund von Helfenstein
Sigurd of Jorvik wrote:The person losing the sword/shield arm or a leg should just yield the fight. The whole fighting with one arm behind your back or from the knee is dumb.
This is my personal policy. I do not like fighting one-armed, and I will not fight from my knees. This is simply because I do not believe it makes sense. If a wound to my leg were so great as to take me off my feet, any competent fighter could finish me at his leisure. Fighting from my knees breaks my immersion in a big way, and so I yield solid strikes to my legs as fatal.
One-armed makes no sense to me either, but I also love fighting single sword, so I'll do it.
Re: [SCA] Consent to Points of Contest
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:09 pm
by Aaron
I do something like that now. If I get legged, I'm out. If I get hit on the left arm AND I have enough room and/or time to draw my dagger (behind my back, handle to the right) then I will move to my dagger. And once I'm fighting with my dagger, it will be a short but fun fight.
IF I end up at Fort Sam Houston, I look forward to some fun bouts with you.
With thanks,
-Aaron
Re: [SCA] Consent to Points of Contest
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:55 pm
by Morejello
chris19d wrote: I would rather lose than win because I let my opponent give up an advantage he earned.
I agree with this sentiment, and in tournament I rarely offer to give up any advantage that I have earned. The exception is if I have achieved 2 points of advantage (legged and armed), I will usually give one of those up. That way I don't feel like I'm being a *complete* heartless bully. Again, though, it's situational. If I'm in a tourney against Duke Sean or Duke Michael O'Brien, and I manage to leg and arm them, I would have a hard time giving up both of those advantages because I know they can beat me even with my advantages.
Re: [SCA] Consent to Points of Contest
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:52 am
by maxntropy
Leo Medii wrote:It is far more stellar to defeat an opponent that has a huge advantage over you than one that has even odds with you. By giving the person a "point" you remove that chance for them to have a spectacular victory and tale.
And, I have always found it semi-insulting, in the same vein as others who have said it appears that the person say's "I can give up "X" and still beat you".
Leo's been in my head recently, apparently. Unfortunate, as he's my friend and it's a pretty crappy neighborhood.
Exactly what he said.
Max Von Halstern
Re: [SCA] Consent to Points of Contest
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:27 pm
by Alex Baird
I am entirely inconsistent on this. Some times I keep the earned advantage, sometime I discard it. It's not really about what is chivalrous or advantageous at the moment. It's whatever seems to be likely to yield a fun fight; that's why I am out there.
On the other side of the coin, I am neither expecting my opponents to give up, nor expecting them to retain their earned advantages. Fight me the way you want to. It's not as if we won't be able to get up and do it again.
Re: [SCA] Consent to Points of Contest
Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:23 am
by Sjolander
I just want to thank everyone for this thread. I had no idea it was an issue, but now that I've taken a closer look at the practice I realize how silly it is.