Question for two-handed sword fighters...

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Cuan wrote:.... Second, I was a high school and college athlete, as were several of our fighters, and I do not want to cross check, or be cross checked, to the chin with a great sword. If I am allowed to hold a length of blade between my hands, it is difficult to legislate a ban on cross checking and seem consistent since this would be the only area in which we have a rule that says you may not strike an opponent with your blade. Cross checking is banned in hockey for a reason. Before anyone raises the point that cross checking is banned in hockey because of the speed of players on skates, let me say that cross checking was also banned in lacrosse (where I once played crease defense with a 6 foot hickory shafted stick). Half swording (if I may use the term generically as a stand in for several highly developed sword play traditions) can be great fun, but it represents a whole system of combat involving grappling,hip checks, trips, throws, pommel and quillion strikes that are not easlily adaptable to our rattan combat rules system. Once you take out all the elements that our rules disallow, half swording isn't really half swording any more. So, in Atlantia, if you want a wider grip, or you want better control on a thrust, or you want a thrusting tip on the grip end of the sword to simulate a pommel strike, then put a ricasso on it and pad up the pommel. But your opponent can grab your ricasso too! Of course, in SCA tourney combat, if your opponent grasps your weapon, there is no need to fight about it; simply let go of the weapon. The marshals will call a hold and make your opponent give you your weapon back.
I hope this clarifies things as to the current situation in Atlantia regarding half swording. I concede that reasonable people may differ on this issue and that our approach creates a bright-line rule that some interested parties will find overly simplistic. Still, as hard as it tries, the SCA cannot, nor will it ever be, all things to all interest groups.
I look forward to your comments.


But cross checking with a glaive is safe? :roll: This is a reality. Probably close to the hardest I have ever been hit was by essentially a cross check with a glaive. Oh and it was padded. I had to go sit down for the rest of the day. Just sayin' that this part of the argument is in my opinion invalid.

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I don't think cross checking with a glaive is legal either.
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Thorvaldr Skegglauss wrote:Probably close to the hardest I have ever been hit was by essentially a cross check with a glaive. Oh and it was padded.


I'm having a hard time envisioning what you describe. Was the "glaive" a bardiche?

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I assume what you mean by cross check is hitting with the section between your hands now. Ok, if that is the definition then no I haven't been cross checked. BUT if you consider that I HAVE been hit by someone holding a wide grip on thier glaive with both hands facing the same direction and one hand directly under the head of the glaive, then hit in a crossing motion by the head of the weapon right above the upper hand, much like in quarterstaff fighting. That is close enough to cross checking for me. It certainly delivers the same power.

Oh by the way, I had and have no problem with that. I am just illustrating the hollowness of the argument against using a greatsword in this manner.

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oh, by the by. That bardiche looks cool and I have fought against someone using one a few years ago. It was fun. It is still the fighter not the weapon that is a problem 99% of the time.
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Your Grace, there's a meaningful difference between a full on cross check and the kind of strike you are referencing. And yeah, I understand that strike better than the average bear. I grew up fighting HG Vissevald on a regular basis :lol:

But, for all the power that is in that kind of strike, it does not have the kind of rigidity that's involved in a cross check, where both ends of the striking area are well supported and the body mass of the striker is directly behind the blow.
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