The TV series “Battle of the Nations” is online!

[Lloyd]

There is some very interesting information in the news section of their website - especially on the total weight of their kits:

OK, my web skills are failing me (plus I don't know where my glasses are right now). Where/what was that info?

-Ivan

Hey Ivan,

Try this: http://battleofthenations.com.ua/news.p ... temID=1632

[mrks]

20 pounds? those guys look like tanks...

- What will it take?
- You have to understand that not everything they sell, not buy. Most of the artists in the West will offer, for example, just a helmet. And what is the helmet? This is a beautiful bauble? This is a wonderful replica, which will repeat the museum exhibit to the last detail? Or is it a helmet, which is adapted to bugurta. So it's two different things. And they believed that any helmet polyfunctional. It is not, it makes it a cross between a collection of dust and dust collection. Because until very steep cues they often fall short, and in bugurt helmet does not fit, need a minimum of a high-quality steel. If they now understand the direction vector - and it is elementary - all they get. This is a reminder to any reader, as the collection of any team, or just someone who wants to arrange bugurt in his backyard. In the world there are only about 30 shops, which make armor suitable for full contact. Of course, they are mainly located where full contact practice - Russia, Ukraine, Belarus and Poland. If there are men, it is logical that they serve. And stupid to demand full contact armor, the master of the country where almost nobody goes to bugurty, because there it can not even check. You are looking for an authentic set of normal, according to age, region, you need to know how much it weighs OK - this information easy to find, should know that the steel should harden, especially hands and feet. In a dialogue with the master must also say that the total weight of military attire, from hat to falshiona, shall not exceed 20 pounds.

[Tom B.]

20 pounds? those guys look like tanks...

Here is what I saw on the English version of the page Lloyd linked to.

While discussing everything with a craftsman, you should also mention that the total weight of a protective kit and falchion shall not exceed 20 kg.
- Does it mean, that the weight of everything you’ll have on your body should not be more than 12 kg?
- Yes. Not all workshops can meet this requirement, but it's an ideal

20kg = 44 lb
12kg = 26.4 lb

Tom

[RoaK]

I think the team is now going with a red white and blue sash like belt and an arm band... It's enough to identify FoF and shows off ones armor.

[Jonny Deuteronomy]

Sweet!

Sure wish I could do this but looks like the joust world is picking up too finally and I musn't divide my attention (and funds).

God save and keep Team America!

[Brennainn]

I say go over thge Top. The sense of moderation is a modern thing. Go with a red and white striped cod piece I say and have a star at the tip. Captain america isn't Garish, he's American.
Anyhow,
Brennainn

[Lloyd]

For those not members of the BOTN-USA FB group:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfZttPbc ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v09tEmwC2eM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52R55sTFvV0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMX0JjHW4oo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss-aFp-k ... re=related

.this is what they call Prof-Boy (pro-fight), a nine minute (three rounds, three minutes each) face-off where almost anything goes...points are counted for solid and powerful weapon hits, take downs, and any punches or kicks deemed worthy by the judges

[Josh W]

Wait, what?



The total weight of my armour and weapons isn't supposed to exceed 44 pounds? Do I understand that correctly?

I don't think there's any way I can do that. How much do the full plate kits one sees the Quebecois guys wearing weigh? What gauge is the steel on their suits?

20 pounds? those guys look like tanks...

Here is what I saw on the English version of the page Lloyd linked to.

While discussing everything with a craftsman, you should also mention that the total weight of a protective kit and falchion shall not exceed 20 kg.
- Does it mean, that the weight of everything you’ll have on your body should not be more than 12 kg?
- Yes. Not all workshops can meet this requirement, but it's an ideal

20kg = 44 lb
12kg = 26.4 lb

Tom

[Tom B.]

More comments on armour

This steel is sold in the form of plates, usually about a millimeter thick.
If steel is thicker, then your armor will be too heavy, and if thinner - not durable enough.

An average weight of a set of armor made of St3 is 20-25 kg, sometimes even 30. To move easily while wearing it is not an easy task, but anyone who trains more or less regularly, knows how to achieve this skill.

Titanium is more durable and lighter than steel, it withstands heavy blows and can be processed easier, so armor can be made faster. The durability of the alloy is so high, that it’s possible to make plates less than a millimeter thick, only about 0.8 mm. And as a result, titaniс armor is only 15 kg of weight, and the heaviest one is about 20 kg. For example, gauntlets made of this alloy are about 30 percent lighter that steel ones, body armor of the same kind can weight 12 kilograms instead of 20.

Qubec team comments

The team was well-prepared for the battles, but as they confessed, their type of armor was too heavy for the tournament. Well, this is the kind of dilemma a fighter has to decide: whether to have perfectly authentical historical kit or a comfortable and light armor to fight. Nevertheless, the team didn’t left with empty hands. The armor of Quebec fighter was unanimously chosen as the most authentical among all the others.

Wait, what?



The total weight of my armour and weapons isn't supposed to exceed 44 pounds? Do I understand that correctly?

I don't think there's any way I can do that. How much do the full plate kits one sees the Quebecois guys wearing weigh? What gauge is the steel on their suits?

[William Frisbee]

44lbs? I mean my 1410's kit is spring steel, but I'm still wearing an haubergeon under it, and its... well steel. I'd love if my kit weighed 44lbs with my weapon, but thats just not going to happen. I'm lucky enough to keep it under 60, which is fine by me.

[Prince Of Darkmoor]

How much protection are you really going to need? Virtually no leg protection, minimal torso armour to keep the guts on the inside, and a sturdy helmet to deaden the ringing of live steel. Obviously, there are plenty of people across Europe who can design a kit to meet those specifications so I would recommend examining what they wear and then modifying it for your own needs.

[Lucian Ro]

How much protection are you really going to need? Virtually no leg protection ...

Contraire, mon frere, check out more of the videos; the leg hacking is ridiculous. I'm thinking no less than 14-gauge mild/16-stainless quisses or you're going to have dented, near-useless leg armour after a melee or three.

[Jonathan Baird]

You have got to realize the people wearing these light kits weigh about 120-150 lbs and are shorter on average than Americans. You have to scale the armor up. Plus many of them are wearing completely spring steel kits to cut weight.

[Jan van Nyenrode]

Jonathan,

Don't expect them to be much smaller in height then Americans. Americans aren't particular tall to be honest. The bodyweight is the big difference probably.

Cheers,

Jan

[Jonathan Baird]

Our team averages much taller than the American Average at about 6'1" almost 6' 2" If Leo wasn't on the team it might be more Also America ends up with a smaller Average because we are such a diverse culture the team isn't as diverse as America unfortunately.

[FrauHirsch1]

Also to note: Many people's SCA guantlets don't work well for rebated swords. Often clamshells bottom out too early, which will cause you to loose your grip during certain shots. My old SCA clamshells work fine for polearms, but not good for smaller handled weapons, so I ended up having new ones made. I also highly recommend a fully enclosed thumb.

[Lloyd]

Also to note: Many people's SCA guantlets don't work well for rebated swords. Often clamshells bottom out too early, which will cause you to loose your grip during certain shots. My old SCA clamshells work fine for polearms, but not good for smaller handled weapons, so I ended up having new ones made. I also highly recommend a fully enclosed thumb.

If you watch episode 2, at about 13:18, there is a lone Russian fighter going up against two Polish fighters. He has a very interesting gauntlet which seems to as much a baskethilt as a gauntlet. It completely encloses his hand and I would assume is a kind of locking gauntlet.

[FrauHirsch1]

Its very easy to loose a sword when wearing guantlets, much more so than a basket hilt. I would want a lanyard too in a melee like that.

[sulla123]

Is there an version of this rule type fighting here in the US yet? Or is it just those who are planning on going the Battle Of Nations.

[Jonathan Baird]

There will be an event in MA hosted by Lucan in the fall I think September. I am holding an event/medieval hunt using these rules next fall and I believe Leo Medii is holding an event next year as well.

[sulla123]

Ahh to bad none are closer to Texas would like to watch.

As a side note they really need to do something about safety of the crowd.

[Jonathan Baird]

There are some safety rules going into place at least for the fighters that they did not have when that was filmed so I bet their are new rules for safety in other areas as well.

[sulla123]

Good I would not want to see some one get hurt. Any way hopefully this takes off. I would like to see a US war of the Americas.

[MalcolmdeMoffat]

I wonder how soon we will hear if this is in Poland or Ukraine?
The Ukrainian site is 19 hour drive, but from the vids and the google map recon looks sweet!

[Jonathan Baird]

They will announce the site December 8th I believe. I can tell you that we have been all but assured that BOTN will be in Poland this year.

[Effingham]

I think the team is now going with a red white and blue sash like belt and an arm band... It's enough to identify FoF and shows off ones armor.

The funny thing?

England, France, and Russia ALL use red blue and white in their national colors.

Heh.

Think internationally, guys.

[Leo Medii]

Our team averages much taller than the American Average at about 6'1" almost 6' 2" If Leo wasn't on the team it might be more Also America ends up with a smaller Average because we are such a diverse culture the team isn't as diverse as America unfortunately.

I'm the shortest guy on our joust team too.....

Hasn't stopped me from winning almost every time!

I guess being able to bench press the weight of a Russian, in his armor, helps.

[Natalia_UA]

Guys, the second episode of “Battle of the Nations” TV series is online. Follow the link and enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/user/battleofthe ... S0mIcWDcCA

[MalcolmdeMoffat]

Looking forward to episode 3 Natalia.

[Natalia_UA]

If you liked the first episodes of TV series “Battle of the Nations” then we have good news for you! The third episode is now online! See the episode following the link below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hawg00s-BuM

[Rudolph]

Very cool stuff. Looks like a lot of fun. Thank you for the links.

[Natalia_UA]

The half of TV series about the world championship “Battle of the Nations” is online! This week you can see the 4th episode and follow the 21 vs 21, 5 vs 5 battles, find out which team is the strongest one and get to know what fighters think about the other contestants! Fights, fights and more fights are here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8QNdfooFgI

[Kenwrec Wulfe]

Oh, I could SO do that!!

[Jonathan Baird]

Oh, I could SO do that!!

Then come with us. We need more people with us in April.

[Lucan Dux]

Yes join us, come to the dark side. Come with us to Poland, eat perogies and kielbasa, and smite your fellow man with cold steel.