The Armour Archive

Tegan wrote:I fought with a guy who wore head to toe steel. He couldn't feel anything at all so he calibrated by sound. *shrug*

Tegan

I ran into that with my kabuto It has multiple layers of 14ga, 16, and 18ga steel. It has a full face plate. It's the heaviest helmet I've ever used, and the heaviest many others have seen. While it sits nice when I'm standing with good posture, the second I lean forward it feels like I'm wearing a bowling ball.

at last year's estrella I bull rushed a spearman with my glaive off the line, pushed him into the backfield, and whacked him. He grew very angry, and started yelling right there on the field "What? You aren't gonna take that? You serious?" Apparently, he'd hit me on the way in but I didn't feel it. We were lucky enough to be in a woods battle - we cleared off to the side by a tree and I apologized, told him I can't feel a damn thing and take shots based off of sound/when my vision gets skewd by my helmet tilting from a good blow.

We both cleared the field and rez'd, and continued fighting for the rest of the regen battle. I found him afterward to shake his hand, and plopped my kabuto infront of him so he could pick it up. What he said was along the lines of "Dear God, that's heavy".

I'm sure I've seen someone here on the archive with the signature "Throw hard, take light, and have a good time" or something to that degree. It's true. The way I see it, if you have armour worthy of being on the side of an m1a1 Abrams Tank and it felt good enough for your opponent to question why you didn't take a shot, it was probably good. It's just a game anyway.

So far everyone's posted great advice. ;D

Count Johnathan wrote:

Corby de la Flamme wrote:What Sigurd said.

Also, if you continue to have a problem, just move to Atlantia.

I don't think that sounds the way you wanted it to.

LOL

Oh I think that is exactly what he wanted to say.

The Kingdom where urban legend has it that someone called a shot light after regaining consciousness.

Atlantia is also where I heard the joke about the SCAdian, the Marklander, the Dagorhir and the freight train...

Pretty dated now. Explicitly mentions the Marklander's digital watch.

Haldan wrote:

Tegan wrote:From the marshal's handbook: "All “fully armored” fighters are presumed to be wearing a chain hauberk over a padded gambeson, with boiled leather arm and leg defenses and an open-faced iron helm with a nasal."

Question: (and sorry to derail the thread) If one is wearing said standard (or a close approximation using modern materials, etc) then by definition one cannot Rhino? Or is it just differing levels of pain tolerance?

Haldan

So, what are you asking? Because "rhinoing" (I hate that term, the word we're needing here is cheating) is always possible, you just have to cheat by refusing to accept blows of proper force.

If the problem is that you haven't actually grasped how the blow recognition process works and you need some more time with good trainers who understand how it works and get help you understand it, well, then, you need to get that further training.

The deal is, accept blows at the level accepted by the people you train and fight with so that you are at a level generally accepted by your comrades.. . What we are wearing is not supposed to change the level of blow we accept. To some degree it inevitably will- it's pretty near impossible to recognize whether or not the force is the same when the protection of the armour changes- but there's an obligation to do our best to stay at the accepted level of our group.

Said ibn-Ali wrote:

Bastior wrote:

Said ibn-Ali wrote:I wouldnt call someone who is wearing full plate a rhino if they said the shot glanced off their armor, which happened at pensic. I would just hit them someplace it wont glance, hard enough that there is no doubt in the back of their childrens childrens mind that that was a good shot.

If the shot glanced isn't changing target and/or angle rather than force a better option?

B

Not in this case, I watched the pole arm that hit this individual with a thrust bow on impact and the person took a step back from it, and then said it glanced off their armour.

Not sure about you but thats not much of a glance if you have to step back.

Sorry I mistook your comment as being general rather than specific, I appologise.
In that particular case somebody was quite clearly saying "Please sir, may I have more" and it would have been rude in the extreme not to give them exactly what they asked for.

B

Oswaldamar wrote:Hello folks,

I have just started fighting in full 14th century kit. My hips and low back are the most covered with a gambeson and coat of plates. I am having a bit of trouble feeling shots on the most protected bits. Any tips on how I might make adjustments to feel shots more definitly.

Oz

You'll need to practice and train in your armour with others that will give you good feedback on what's was a good shot and what wasn't and learn to 'listen' to the feel of the shot, the sound and the 'pull' it might have. Full & proper 14th C. gear pretty much protects you from a lot of single handed thrown shots. I just got my first 'bruise' at last nights practice from a blow to a normally protected area that I'd 'armoured down' and had the bad habit to expose in the fight. It's the first I can recall in a while.