Keystone Creation review?...anyone?

Haldir · Post by **Haldir** » Sun Apr 01, 2001 7:37 pm

Hello, lately there seems to be lots of talk about their products, I tried e-mailing them about availability... but got no reply. Has anyone actually ordered from them? how long does it take him to ship the product? how is the quality?

thank you

Murdock · Post by **Murdock** » Mon Apr 02, 2001 2:54 am

I got my stuf in about 2 weeks.

IMO the mace is to heavy. The Hand axe is ok I like the hammer, esp when put on a pole and made into a bec de corbin.

olaf haraldson · Post by **olaf haraldson** » Mon Apr 02, 2001 5:13 pm

I'll let you know soon.

Otto von Teich · Post by **Otto von Teich** » Tue Apr 03, 2001 8:01 am

I'll vouch for Murdock on the mace being heavy, I had him hit me in the breastplate with almost? full force the other evening.
It stung through the solid 16 gauge. I cant hardly feel a rattan blow through it.If he would have hit me in the head that hard, I know my brains would have been "swimming"
In fact,I think it would have knocked me out cold..Otto

Rob Roy · Post by **Rob Roy** » Tue Apr 03, 2001 8:29 am

what's the addy?

Murdock · Post by **Murdock** » Fri Apr 06, 2001 3:58 am

and i'm just a widdle bitty guy

imagine what a ful sized person like Otto could do with one.

Brodir · Post by **Brodir** » Fri Apr 06, 2001 6:31 am

I have the hand axe, and have found it great in my limited use (will put a lot more miles on it once I have a set of gaunts).

Constancius · Post by **Constancius** » Fri Apr 06, 2001 8:41 am

Anyone have the web address for these guys?

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Templar Bob/De Tyre · Post by **Templar Bob/De Tyre** » Fri Apr 06, 2001 8:54 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Constancius:
Anyone have the web address for these guys?

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Keystone Creations Neoprene Weapons

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Robert Coleman, Jr.

The Noble Companie and Order of St. Maurice

Those who beat their swords into plowshares end up plowing for those who don't.

Ulfr · Post by **Ulfr** » Fri Apr 06, 2001 9:13 am

Has anyone got an actual photo of these things? I'm nervous about ordering from someone who only shows a hypothetical product on their page.

Templar Bob/De Tyre · Post by **Templar Bob/De Tyre** » Fri Apr 06, 2001 9:24 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Ulfr:
Has anyone got an actual photo of these things? I'm nervous about ordering from someone who only shows a hypothetical product on their page.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Hypothetical?!?"

What are you talking about? The opening page shows photographs of the products....

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Robert Coleman, Jr.

The Noble Companie and Order of St. Maurice

Those who beat their swords into plowshares end up plowing for those who don't.

[This message has been edited by Templar Bob/De Tyre (edited 04-06-2001).]

Morlahn Hobbs · Post by **Morlahn Hobbs** » Fri Apr 06, 2001 2:38 pm

Actually, those images on their front page appear to be a 3-d rendering. My eyes might be deceiving me, but I believe that's what it is. Anyone else?

btw, the mace looks sweet. Too bad it's too heavy in some opinions.

hobbs

Garridan · Post by **Garridan** » Sat Apr 07, 2001 5:37 pm

The picture on top is a 3D rendering (nothing is ever that shiny).
The pictures under that are of the actual product.

[This message has been edited by Garridan (edited 04-07-2001).]

Constancius · Post by **Constancius** » Sun Apr 08, 2001 8:07 am

Thanks

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Gaston · Post by **Gaston** » Sun Apr 08, 2001 7:17 pm

I've got a pair of the lucerne hammers mounted as bec de corbin. I like them, but it's a weapon you can easily haft someone with. Since I started with 1 3/4" rattan so I could make flats on the side, you don't want hafted hard with one of them.

My knight has the mace, and it's too heavy. He has good control, but a slugger who didn't could rattle someone's brain with it.

I'd buy a lighter version of it, it would be more like a period mace anyway (most weren't heavy overall, just head-heavy in balance).

cheval · Post by **cheval** » Sun Apr 08, 2001 8:21 pm

Just curious, Gaston, but how is getting hafted with your bec any different than getting short-stemmed by a greatsword? I'm pretty sure you can generate an identical model with the GS (calculated "X" amount of mass centered "Y" distance above the impact point). If one is potentially unsafe (the implication I am admittedly reading into your comment), the other should be equally so, don't you think?

-cheval-

Lord Jack · Post by **Lord Jack** » Mon Apr 09, 2001 2:26 am

Cheval,

getting halfted by a mass weapon where 75%+ of the mass is concentrated in about 4" at the very end is different than getting hit with a GS where 75%+ of the mass is spread evenly throughout the weapon. Now, we are also talking about weapons that can do things that the other can not. The GS can achive, I believe, a greater power stroke simply because of its length and the fact that its being swung with two hands. I've halfted people with my HP mace but it has always been against people who werent wearing any armour where I hit them so it may have been just as bad as if I'd hit them with the head.

On a side note, how early were these bec de corbin's used? One handed or the two handed jobbies? Trying to come up with an excuse to use one for 13th century kit.

horsefriend · Post by **horsefriend** » Mon Apr 09, 2001 12:02 pm

I agree on the mace. I've only been concussed twice in 22 years, and one of those was from that damned mace, oponnent swore it was an average blow. The rest of their stuff is nice, particullarly the axe.

Alail

white mountain armoury · Mon Apr 09, 2001 1:04 pm

i think extra attention/caution is required with any of the cast rubber heads, even a plain old rathbone can realy rattle someones brain

Gaston · Post by **Gaston** » Mon Apr 09, 2001 9:20 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by cheval:
Just curious, Gaston, but how is getting hafted with your bec any different than getting short-stemmed by a greatsword? I'm pretty sure you can generate an identical model with the GS (calculated "X" amount of mass centered "Y" distance above the impact point). If one is potentially unsafe (the implication I am admittedly reading into your comment), the other should be equally so, don't you think?

-cheval-<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think the difference is leverage, most folks tend to grip wider with the poleaxe, and with the larger rattan there's a little less give.

It isn't dangerous in the hands of a rational, reasonable fighter (the only kind that should be on the field, right?)

I'm careful with a greatsword, too.

Joe The Armor Weenie · Wed Apr 11, 2001 11:17 am

So these things take slightly greater care to use safely? Dangit, I hope that I can still use them, they look perfect for some of the things I want to do eventually (Bec.....bec......bec de corbin!

). I'll just have to watch it I guess.

- Joe

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