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Has anyone ever tried to redraw the 5th ward completing the original image? I'm on limited I.33 reources and I'm trying to get a better idea of how this ward posture goes. Pictures and descriptions welcome.

Wyrm.

just a follow up thought, what exactly happened to this page. It looks like it has been folded but that cant be the case, so has it been cut?

What plate are you looking at?
#2?

The fifth is descrbed as "give to the right side the fifth".
The sword seems to be coming out behind the body from the right side. but Im not exactly sure what you are looking at.

Yes, page 2, top left. If you find the missing piece let me know

I thought at first this ward was like the low or tail ward used by Silver (correct me if I am wrong) but the 5th ward image does not show an extended arm being held behind and the sword blade appears to be higher than it would be if such a position was taken. To be honest it looks like the sword is being held in the same way as ward 2, over the right shoulder.

Like I said I dont have much sources (what does Hand and Wagner say about it?) but perhaps the sword is being held pointing backwards with the right arm somewhat extended outwards to the righthand side. If it was being held directly behind I would think I'd see a portion of the right arm and not just a sword blade.

Wyrm.

AllenJ wrote:What plate are you looking at?
#2?

It's a tail ward. See page 54 of the manuscript.

The problem with the illustration on page 2, aside from the rip, is the artistic style in use. You can always see the face of the figures (I can almost hear the monks saying "You've got my face in the picture, right?") and the figures on pages 1 and 2 are depicted with their right foot forward. If you try this position for yourself, you'll get something that closely approximates the illustration. Then try it again, but with your left foot forward and you get the actual position.

yep, i found that out earlier today that it is repeated later on. thanks for the page number and reply. I have also noticed the footwork of the first two pages differs from the footwork ppl are training with. So perhaps you are right with the artistic licence on the first 2 pages, even though I am sure it a small enough detail to draw correctly the postures on these first 2 pages.

hmm... anyway

jester wrote:It's a tail ward. See page 54 of the manuscript.

The problem with the illustration on page 2, aside from the rip, is the artistic style in use. You can always see the face of the figures (I can almost hear the monks saying "You've got my face in the picture, right?") and the figures on pages 1 and 2 are depicted with their right foot forward. If you try this position for yourself, you'll get something that closely approximates the illustration. Then try it again, but with your left foot forward and you get the actual position.

I hadnt thought about the "cheating towards the camera" idea with the footwork. That and with I.33 I just tend to think of all the techniques having the buckler and the sword together, though obviously there are many that arent like that.