Starting an Ancients Combat Society: Part 2

Hibernicus · Post by **Hibernicus** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 8:18 am

Sash a is tricksey he is....!

Hib

Hibernicus · Post by **Hibernicus** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 8:29 am

There will be a meeting of folk interested in the ASCA at GWW, Friday October 8, 7pm at a location to be announced.

Another meet is being scheduled for Estrella 2005.
Look for us in 2005 at Grand Outlandish, Gulf Wars, Lillies.. maybe a few others as well.

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ASCA.. more professional name? Names got tossed about for some time.

Chapters will be managed by a President, VP, Secretary, and Treasurer.

There'll be one Combat Handbook, one set of rules, for all chapters.

The combat system employing "felt" weapons will allow historic armoring practices with minimal modern protective gear.. safety glasses and a groin guard.

Hib

Stahlgrim · Post by **Stahlgrim** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:14 pm

This ASCA thing all strikes me a little... well ...repetative.
Its like going into a chinese resturant and siting down and saying what I would realy go for is some thai lets get some delivered.
I like the idea of working with in the already established structure better then rebuilding from scratch.
why not do what the order of st. micheal and others have done and just host period specific tournements and battles?
but since you have done so much work already goodluck with it .Markland the M.S.R. and other groups all do well and play with the sca frequently.
I do early period myself as do many in the haus I belong to but I can't see any of us forking over Two sets of membership dues.
It also strikes me as giving in to the guys that are constently crying about how seeing a roman or greek on the feild ruins the event for them and it confuses the general public who can't possibly be all that smart,and how if we would all just do what they want us to how we suddenly would have a utopian society.

tessathehuntress · Post by **tessathehuntress** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 2:00 pm

ahh, that's a shame. I'll be at GWW, but I have to leave by noon, so we can make it back in time for our Crown Tourney. I'm hosting a roundtable discussion on combat archery if anyone wants to attend (friday morning).

Maybe I'll get to meet a couple of you at least, while I'm at GWW.

Tessa the Huntress
tessathehuntress@earthlink.net

FrauHirsch · Post by **FrauHirsch** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 6:14 pm

Destichado wrote: Of all the armour in the ancient world, only a few kinds of roman gladiators, legionares with manica, and homeric greeks in Dendra-esque harness could ever play by live steel rules with any degree of historical accuracy.

Hidden armor works in steel too. I don't see it as much different than SCA rigs.

-J

Destichado · Post by **Destichado** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 6:44 pm

Sure, but Spartans didn't wear pants or long sleeves.

Animal · Post by **Animal** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 1:03 am

Learn to block then.

Gabriel Morgan · Post by **Gabriel Morgan** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 8:22 pm

StudBuckle wrote:An interesting twist on your dilemma is to go Scythian. There are portrayals of Scythians in full Greek Hoplite kit but the Scythian long sleeved tunic and long legged trousers worn underneath. Such would allow for hidden armor.

I had considered the possiblity, based on an old post of yours, but quickly discarded it. I'm pretty committed to a Classical Athenian persona, with armour to match as closely as possible.

For now, that means bazubands electroplated in brass for my arms, I think. It will match aesthetically if not historically, and I can always take them off when I'm not fighting heavy. My greaves are going to have an attached knee cop, but whereas the greaves will be plated in brass, the cop is going to be blackened. Not perfect, but workable, at least for now. At least my Corinthian covers the gorget.

Corrius · Post by **Corrius** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 11:21 am

HERE is my vote for starting a Classical group! [hurling in boulder]

This year is for Japanese for me.
(Stay on taget!)

Next year I'll be back in panhoply & maybe even back in the States. Being part of a functional phallanx has been a dream for several years.

Count me in for ASCA, or a Classical (i.e. Greek Hoplites, and Macidonian & Roman soldiers, which seems to be what most of us are interested in, rather than ancient Babylon, Egypt, Homeric Greek, right?) group within the SCA. ClassicalWarriors.org, perhaps? My email is in my profile.

Corrius (whose scarlet-chevroned hoplon is known as Death Star, whose spear arm has been compared to a trip hammer, and whose xiphos is sometimes the object of jokes before a fight, but never after.)

T. Finkas · Post by **T. Finkas** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 4:03 pm

I'm certainly not ruling out Homeric Greek in MY concept of an ancients group...

Gabriel Morgan · Post by **Gabriel Morgan** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 4:26 pm

StudBuckle wrote:I'm certainly not ruling out Homeric Greek in MY concept of an ancients group...

Better to run off those annoying Roman-types than besmirch our Homeric brethren! :twisted:

Corrius · Post by **Corrius** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 5:10 am

StudBuckle wrote:I'm certainly not ruling out Homeric Greek in MY concept of an ancients group...

Fine by me. My only point was that things seemed more Classical than Ancient so far.

Either way, let's show those European barabrians how civilized men fight!

Corrius.

T. Finkas · Post by **T. Finkas** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 6:32 am

Corrius wrote:
StudBuckle wrote:I'm certainly not ruling out Homeric Greek in MY concept of an ancients group...

Fine by me. My only point was that things seemed more Classical than Ancient so far.

Either way, let's show those European barabrians how civilized men fight!

Corrius.

I see your point. I was grouping the Classical period under the term "Ancient"...do you think this is confusing? Should "Classical" be specified also, or will folks generally understand?

I appreciate your input.

Tim

Corrius · Post by **Corrius** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:25 am

StudBuckle wrote:
I was grouping the Classical period under the term "Ancient"...do you think this is confusing?

If we're within the SCA, 'Ancient' should specify just fine. If you want to make something independant of the SCA, and have goals educational, perhaps "Ancient & Classical" would be best.

I would argue against "Spear & Shield" as a name for two reasons:

1. It was a combination used well into the SCA's period (Vikings, crusaders carried lances...), and

2. Everybody knows we're called 'hoplites' because the shield is out primary weapon - it should be "Shield & Spear": smash them, crush them, grind them, and if you get a chance, you can stick 'em with the spear, too :wink:

!

This is my shield
I bear it before me in battle,
but it is not mine alone.
It protects my brother on my left.
It protects my city.
I will never let my brother
out of its shadow
nor my city out of its shelter.
I will die with my shield before me
facing the enemy.

As Homer said, "Othismos, mmmmmm..."

Corrius.

guthroth · Post by **guthroth** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 4:10 pm

Hi

Hibernicus wrote:The combat system employing "felt" weapons will allow historic armoring practices with minimal modern protective gear.. safety glasses and a groin guard.

Hib

As someone who occasionally plays as an early Saxon (5thC) switching down to 1st or 2nd c Germanic is fairly easy. It's a lot of fun, steel weapons and minimal armour, but why insist on safety glasses ? Plenty of existing groups outside the US fight without them, why invent a system that is not compatable with the many existing Roman and Iron age re-enactment groups elsewhere in the world ?

Guthroth

Jakob Hilditonn · Post by **Jakob Hilditonn** » Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:40 am

I would love to come by and meet and greet at GWW, but I will only be at the war for a very short while on saturday.

Sasha_Khan · Post by **Sasha_Khan** » Fri Sep 17, 2004 9:39 pm

guthroth wrote:Hi

[ Plenty of existing groups outside the US fight without them, why invent a system that is not compatable with the many existing Roman and Iron age re-enactment groups elsewhere in the world ?

Guthroth

No - most of the Roman groups outside the US don't fight at all.

SOME of the European groups (especially the Italians) have started using the industrial felt sword in the last 2 years with very good results.

The tradeoff with using the felt swords is that you don't need to use any goofy, ahistorical, SCA-esque safety gear other than your cricket box (the eye protection being a really good idea).

Corrius · Post by **Corrius** » Sat Sep 18, 2004 1:27 am

Are there any pictures of these felt weapons?
Sounds interesting, but I can't picture what they look like.

guthroth · Post by **guthroth** » Sat Sep 18, 2004 2:41 am

Hi

Sasha_khan wrote:
No - most of the Roman groups outside the US don't fight at all.

SOME of the European groups (especially the Italians) have started using the industrial felt sword in the last 2 years with very good results.

The tradeoff with using the felt swords is that you don't need to use any goofy, ahistorical, SCA-esque safety gear other than your cricket box (the eye protection being a really good idea).

I know that some of the Uk Roman and Iron age ones now fight the same way as the Viking and Saxon ones do because I've seen it. The Ermine street guard don't, but that doesn't make them the majority.

Guthroth

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