The Armour Archive

Wulfe wrote:

Gilebert wrote:I am going to see if I can make myself a klapvisor and modify my current helm to allow switching between klap and grille... Any hints on this from the armorers?

There is a type of klap hinge that allows for removable faceplates.

I think there is one in TOMAR and I think Brian Price's site sells them, but dont quote me, it has been a while since I have been there looking...

I have an AB bascinet. It's an older one.. I have used it for about 9 years.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/69351297@N00/285641476/

I sent an e-mail to the above address of the Mayor of pennsic last week and still havnt heard a thing.

Anyone know her personally or are on a forum where she may be reached?

any movement???

Murdock wrote:any movement???

I'm still busy checking the thread count on my lentner to make sure I can qualify.

Still no movement on this, which is killing me... I mean come on.. if you are the frigging mayor of pennsic you ought to believe that people will want to contact you before the actual frigging pennsic.....

Hmmmm... Who is running the fighting at the war this year, east or mid? Maybe we get the marshal in charge to give us the big ok..... That might be the way to go!

If I have any say in this, which I am not sure I do.. sure I started it but it's really al of our tourney, I would like to do less restrictions on the soft kit than previously mentioned. We have to for this one... I think just about any 14th century kit you get from Revival or historic should be good. Honestly I dont know a single person who could do the seriously puimped out high 14th century noble kit.... Just too much bling for most of us.... I want to work with the gentles who were making the rules to see if we can come up with a resonable request for people.... It shouldnt be as hard as we are making it... Perhaps 10 years downt he road, we can make a goal to have as perfectly period a kit as possible...

The armour standards are there to enforce the look factor and the reasonability factor. You wouldnt fight a tourney unarmoured so there fore, any modern armour isnt allowed...

I could see an argument for nicly covered plastic, but I would consider that couirboli and with the rules set I have in mind, not consider it real armour.....

Who is the gentle who set up the golden rope website? I'd like to talk to them if they dont mind.

We'll make this happen. We just have to keep on pushing!

Oh... just checked the website and it has been updated with what I feel are reasonable garb rules. Good going! Looks like I'll be going towards a middle class portrayal myself... Too much Revival raw silk to be upperclass

Only thing that is a stopping point for me is the gauntlets.. I have finger gauntlets but I dont feel safe fighting longsword in them.. I have generic sca gauntlets for that... Getting some 14th century style clamshells isnt out of the question by then though... Who would be in the same boat?

Here's a question... Do we allow other helms other that bascinets in the tourney? Great bascinets would be for jousting as would other great helms.. We have already rules out kettle hats and such... What do others think?

Lastly, what do people think of 2 weapon sets?
A plaisance-
these represent batons or blunted swords.. They are for fun tourney fights. They do as much damage as they actually do...
A outrance-
Even though the tourney rules would still be upheld, these weapons would cause severe injury if they strike an unarmoured area. The person being struck would not be able to participate for the rest of the tourney and the perpetrator would be held in low regard... But the bravery is greater and so is the renown for those who fight as this!

"
"Here's a question... Do we allow other helms other that bascinets in the tourney? Great bascinets would be for jousting as would other great helms.. We have already rules out kettle hats and such... What do others think? "

Yeah i kinda agree with that.

"Lastly, what do people think of 2 weapon sets?
A plaisance-
these represent batons or blunted swords.. They are for fun tourney fights. They do as much damage as they actually do...
A outrance-
Even though the tourney rules would still be upheld, these weapons would cause severe injury if they strike an unarmoured area. The person being struck would not be able to participate for the rest of the tourney and the perpetrator would be held in low regard... But the bravery is greater and so is the renown for those who fight as this!"

I like that as well. How are we gonna deferintiate? Black for outrance, Silver for Plessiance.

And where is the website? Or did ya mean this website??

http://home.armourarchive.org/members/f ... R/test.htm
is the website... So.. James B. put it up?

I'm thinking silver for the rebatted weapons to replicate silvered whalebone... It would be cool to get super thick rattan and plane it, put on some mandrake hardware... Hell if I can get that stuff donated, I'll silver leaf the blades
Then grey ductape for the "real" weapons.

I'm all for people bringing thier own weapons, as long as we give them guidlines to abide by. I'll also make sure there is a set of each for loan.

Also, many deeds talk about so many blows with the axe...

What kind of axe do we think they are talking about? Halberds or hand axes?

SirAngus wrote:Also, many deeds talk about so many blows with the axe...

What kind of axe do we think they are talking about? Halberds or hand axes?

Neither, Jeremy, they're talking about pollaxes.

Ahhhhh!!!! ok cool

i must lost it.


And yeah what Rhys said, tis pollaxes

i like the silver vs gray. Be sure to stipulate the non mylar tape for the silver.

I'm going to try and make some Renee battons.

Thanks Rhys.. my bad... brain fart

People have a few options for the silver... If you're super cool, you can do silver leaf, but expect that to get chewed up quick! Or you can do mylar tape, or they even have silver ducttape at walmarts now....

I've got a wood worker working on some batons for me in a hard wood... I'm guessing they are gonna be helmet rockers!

We have anything new to add to the site?

New to me at least... I havnt visited since before the clothing standards went up...

"Or you can do mylar tape, "

Supposedly the mylar cracks easily and lil shapr pieces of mylar go flying.

Hence i believe that specific type of silver tape is illegal in the SCA.

There is a bright shiny silver regular duct tape too, that should be fine.

I have not made it through all 17 pages (I jumped ahead when the thread seemed to bog down into machine-finished or not).

I think this is an awesome endeavor. The "test" web site looks very good - can't wait to see it fleshed out.

My primary concern with this is that it is going to be a LOT of setup for even a full day's activity.

It would almost be worthwhile for this event to register as it's own encampment for the duration of the war. Unfortunately, at 250 sq. feet per person, this means that each person in the encampment will need to "tithe" a fairly large portion of their land for the communal areas, like, say, the list field and reviewing area.

For example, supposing we could get 100 people to sign on to an encampment with a 40' x 60' list field, the list field takes up 2400 square feet. 100 people would be allotted 25000 square feet. So each person would need to give up 24 square feet, leaving them 126 square feet for their own camp setup.

A problem with registering as a new group is you have little say as to where your group will be located on site at Pennsic. Groups with seniority are given priority for location preference.

Another problem would be that you could potentially have farb encampments on all sides of your encampment. It also means cars will likely be visible from your site.

A plus side is that it is relatively easy to control who gets to come into your encampment. You can certainly control who gets to camp there.

Special permission would be required to allow fighting in an encampment. This is not presently allowed.

Just some thoughts.

Steve

Hi Steve, I like the suggestion but makeing it a camp isnt in the plan right now.. That doesnt mean that the 14 cent mafia cant do it on thier own

I do agree that it will be a crapload of setup, but if we start the day before (and we are trying to get the saturday before warweek) and take down the next day it becomes easier.. Plus this hopefully wont be a one man endevour. Everyone who wants to see it happen will make it so.. They have to...

"
"A problem with registering as a new group is you have little say as to where your group will be located on site at Pennsic. Groups with seniority are given priority for location preference.

Another problem would be that you could potentially have farb encampments on all sides of your encampment. It also means cars will likely be visible from your site.

A plus side is that it is relatively easy to control who gets to come into your encampment. You can certainly control who gets to camp there.

Special permission would be required to allow fighting in an encampment. This is not presently allowed. "


While not a horrible idea you basicaly pointed out it's flaws. All of which are solved (other than the pain in the ass of setting it up the day before)
by having it on the far side of the woods battle area.

My alternate site would be inside the fort, 3rd choice woold be in frontt of the fort.

Count me in...Let me know what I can do...

Angus Kerr
Baron Concordia of the Snows

-looking at all of this as an outsider, why don't you simply rent a portion of the campground separately from the SCA? Then you can do whatever you like, including rebated steel weapons and horses. Getting insurance would surely be less hassle than dealing with 40+ years of entrenched attitudes and bureaucracy.

Ken,

Because the SCA gets the whole thing for the duration, and it's not in the owner's interest to sublet portions of it for that time.

Hey everyone! I'm makeing some headway on getting land. I'm at least hopefully contacting people who can make a call on it now....

What you really need to do is to go over to our own message area, just for the 14th century stuff we are trying to do at:
http://www.honorblade.com/forums/viewfo ... b9b1c6b653

Sign up and start posting pics of your kit. Even if it's not upto snuff, let us know what you are planning on changing or get suggestions from us.

The tournament isnt going to be a show up and participate kind of event. It's gonna take effort and involvement from everyone beforehand to make it happen. It will be a tournament for proactive people, not parasitic ones.

So, get your butts over there and lets make this happen!!

Bump....

Really....

Go there....

Make the effort.....

http://www.honorblade.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=49