The Armour Archive

Ingvarr wrote:One of the main benefits to double elimination in any sport is that it helps to balance out the lucky win.

How would the idea of luck of a win been percieved in a period context?

If its GOTTA be double elim, I like the simple Outlands method. Your name is on a card. When you lose you get a mark on your card. Every round the cards are shuffled. You may or may not face someone you have fought that day again. When you have 2 marks on your card you are done.

Simple, and it seems to cut down on the 14 bi fights BS we se so much here in Calontir.

My fave tourney(besides a Pas or Behourd) is a good old fashion 4 or 6 field challenge bearpit.

Go grab someone to fight. Keep track of fights and kills. Report numbers to the list when done. 1 point for the fight, 2 for a win.

That way even the newest folks get the chance to fight all damn day instead of 2 and out. It also makes it VERY clear why training and conditioning are so important to this game.

Asbjorn Johansen wrote:

Morgan wrote:But I hate goofy ass forced weapon crud.

Interestingly most period accounts we have, imply matched weapons for the combat.

My impression has been that in the context of western Europe, that prowess is prowess, you put men out with equal weapons and see the results. Different for the SCA best form mindset.


Asbjorn
(this is the only way I can stay awake in Torts until the coffe kicks in...)

Sorry, I wasn't clear enough. I hate the goofy assed random draw crap where you can end fighting florentine greatswords or dagger and buckler against a guy with a 7.5' glaive or whatever. I don't care WHAT is done if it's matched and reasonable weapons forms.

But Crown is a showcase and your king is going to be going places and being KING... you don't want a lucky schlep doing the job. My my H.O.

A tournament I once had the honor to participate in once was held in the Midrealm, by His Majesty Felix. The way it was done was like unto this:

Before Their Royal Majesties the King and Queen of the Middle, stood two lines of invited men at arms facing one another, a twenty pr so, matched in number perfectly, before each. The King His Majesty then called out the name of one of the men at arms from those who stood before him--thereby giving courteously the advantage of selecting the match to Her Majesty His Queen--and then these two men at arms fought, and the result of who was bested marked.

And They traded among Their Majesties who called first from their brace of men at arms, until all of the men at arms fought once.

Then they did this again, and all of those who had been bested tweyce they remained standing before Their Majesties to attend those who remained and to attend Their Majesties, but they were not again called to test their skill under the eyen of Their Majesties and those assembled there.

And this was done again and again until such time as only tweye remained, and these both then competed for the prize of honour.

This was a lordly and courteous manner in which to "run a double elimination tournament," which had none of the banal elements that these competitions often suffer.

John
Jehan de Pelham, esquire and servant of Sir Vitus
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Morgan wrote:I hate the goofy assed random draw crap where you can end fighting florentine greatswords ...

Fighting with two great swords - that's just crazy. Make it two bastard swords, and we have a deal.

Nay, dual wielded Halberdz!



John
Jehan de Pelham, esquire and servant of Sir Vitus
www.mron.org
Proprietor, The Compagniye Store