(SCA) Renaissance Armoured Combat?

[Fearghus Macildubh]

Hi all,
Once again, I am interested in another period, mid to late 16th century northern Europe. I've always liked the black and white half armour and doublets and muskets (oh my), so I figured I'd give it a go. In the hopes of not reinventing the wheel, is there anyone else out doing Renaissance heavy? If so, what do they wear on the list field? Pics or links would be great.

I'm pretty sure I want to end up with a burgonet helm of some sort, both for the kewl factor and the abilitty to switch out faceplate to allow me to use the helm for SCA armoured combat, WMA sparring and SCA fencing.

Thanks in advance,

[Cet]

Ask Baron Alejandro. He's got a burgeonet wiht alternate grills from Jeff Brunner aka Duke Kelson and a peascod in process. I know a few other folks but they don't post here.

[InsaneIrish]

I am working on a 1510-20 Landsknecht kit.

Burgeonette helm
hidden arms and legs

A maximillian placard. I would like a full peascod breast and back, but I fear it would be to restrictive for what I want, so I am going for a plackard that will give the feel of a plate breastplate while still allowing me mobility.

by this time period different people in the army wore different stuff. Arquebussers did not wear plate armour, or if they did it was only a piece or to. They were more akin to archers. Breastplate and helm, pikemen, 1/2 plate or full plate harness, were up close fighters. In the Landsknecht it was the dopple soldiers and officers.

[Maredudd]

At Ffair Rhaglan (in Wales) there was a fighter in a burgonet and gauntlets. All his other armour was concealed beneath a shirt and puff-and-slash knee length hose. It was enough to give the Marshals heart attacks but looked really good. I have googled but can't find any pics of him.

[Baron Alejandro]

Ask Baron Alejandro. He's got a burgeonet wiht alternate grills from Jeff Brunner aka Duke Kelson and a peascod in process. I know a few other folks but they don't post here.

Careful. Say my name three times and I'll appear in a cloud of fake smoke and bad 70's laser lights.

Here's my harness now -



The only visible part is the burgeonet. All the rest is hidden armour, but I am completely covered.
Kelson's is working on a peascod-belly breastplate for me, with tassets and a backplate - I'll make a padded doublet to go beneath it, and that will mostly finish it.

People in the Renaissance dind't wear *much* armour, at least in my belief. Less than your typical 14th C Mafioso, anyway. There are some complete harnesses for rich men, but most of it is 3/4 armour, which is the look I'm shooting for. I bet you're looking for something more like this -



Just so you know, the reason *I* didn't go with B&W armour, is that most armourers can't make it for what i can afford.

Other good people to ask would be Sir Johann Coldiron of Atlantia, on this board as Johann Coldiron. I would also ask Master Roland de Mountenay of Atlantia, and Count Thorbrandr of Atlantia (if you can find him).

[Cet]

I new you'd pop up you excellency:)

The B&W you posted reminded me that Kelson and I built a springsteel B&W for Sir Gabriel of MaCuswell (East) Pretty much just like the one pictured. One thing to watch out for, which we learned the hardway, is that there are two approaches to doing the shoudlers on these suites one mounts them on top of the colletin and the second mounts them underneath it Avoid the later option ( which I suspect was for mounted use) as it will cause you to lift the cuirass when raising the arm and even in spring breast, back and those long tassets is considerable weight.

[Sixtus_Goetz]

At Ffair Rhaglan (in Wales) there was a fighter in a burgonet and gauntlets. All his other armour was concealed beneath a shirt and puff-and-slash knee length hose. It was enough to give the Marshals heart attacks but looked really good. I have googled but can't find any pics of him.

If It is the same guy I seen in the pictures, he's a Finish guy. Super quick and pretty nice to boot. He is pretty convincing < met him at Double Wars in '01.

I see your're still wearing that lamellar, how's it holding up < a PM is fine as not to derail anymore >

[InsaneIrish]

I new you'd pop up you excellency:)

The B&W you posted reminded me that Kelson and I built a springsteel B&W for Sir Gabriel of MaCuswell (East) Pretty much just like the one pictured. One thing to watch out for, which we learned the hardway, is that there are two approaches to doing the shoudlers on these suites one mounts them on top of the colletin and the second mounts them underneath it Avoid the later option ( which I suspect was for mounted use) as it will cause you to lift the cuirass when raising the arm and even in spring breast, back and those long tassets is considerable weight.

I assume you are you speaking about this guy here:

http://www.pbase.com/darter02/image/70465259

Damn I would LOVE to have that armour.

BTW, how much would that set cost minus the enamaling?

[Baron Alejandro]

I assume you are you speaking about this guy here:

http://www.pbase.com/darter02/image/70465259

Damn I would LOVE to have that armour.

BTW, how much would that set cost minus the enamaling?

That's HOT.

[Cet]

Yup that's him. I'm not sure about cost. That project dragged on a bit and it's kind of outside my usuall 14th century focus. I'd have to compare notes with Kelson since he did the colletin, shouders, and gaunts with me doing the cuirass and tasets. No enamaling by the way- rustoleum The real ones were either left black from the forge or painted. It's a bit maintenance heavy do to the paint scratching. I still have to do a simpler bresast of simialr form for Gabe for everyday use. possibly chroming that one.

If you can't live without one let me know and I'll figure an estimate and when we might do one for a change of pace.

[Roibeard MacNeill]

I assume you are you speaking about this guy here:

http://www.pbase.com/darter02/image/70465259

Damn I would LOVE to have that armour.

BTW, how much would that set cost minus the enamaling?

That's HOT.

Indeed. all Sir Gabriel fought in at Crown Tourney was a Doublet, that same burgonet, and simple knees. he still looked mighty spiffy.

Eventually I'm going to be working on finishing my late 16th century kit. I would love to have a Black and white 3/4 harness like Sir Gabriel's but I'm leaning more towards a Pikeman's Corselet and a Cabasset.

You can see Sir Gabriel in action in the posted East Kingdom Crown Tourney video Thread.

[Fearghus Macildubh]

The black and white 3/4 harness is indeed what I'm thinking of. I've always liked them, even when I was more interested in 14th century or the Migration era. Now that I'm going the Ren route, it's a good goal. I'm thinking of starting as a Scottish Border foot lowne with mostly hidden armour and working up to a Border heidman and being in 3/4 or half plate. My game is not so good that the armour will affect it one bit.
Thanks for the input everyone.

[Saburou]

Colin of Loch Leven also fights in a burgonet and (sometimes, as in the most recent East crown tourney) a peascod breastplate by Duke Kelson. He's described it universally as "really not all that heavy" (maybe because it's spring steel?) and with his kilt and long boots, he looks awesome.

[Cet]

I'd forgotten about Colin's. It was kind of a warm up for Gabe's in some ways. All blackened mild steel IIRC and a very slick looking rig. Tchnically not a peascod though more of a restrained toppelbrust.