Silly armor questions

Adamo · Post by **Adamo** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:24 am

So I wanna try and complete my kit in a way that approaches historically accurate.
I have a barbute, a brigandine, a mail shirt, leather/steel arm and leg armor, and a pair of rather nice blackened hourglass gauntlets. I'm not 100% sure if I wanna use the mail and the brigandine at the same time yet. I'm looking to replace my arm and leg armor in such a way that the different pieces look like they belong together. Persona is Italian, but residing in Acre (Holy Land), if that helps at all.
So if anyone has any pointers on what limb protection would best fit the rest (matching the helm is the most important I guess), your thoughts would be appreciated.
Adam

audax · Post by **audax** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:40 am

Time period? So far you sound 15th cent, is that what you're going for? Pics of what you have would also help us help you.

Adamo · Post by **Adamo** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:43 am

audax wrote:Time period?

Good point. I figured I'd leave that open at first, let it be dictated by the time period of the rest of the armor, which I guess from the barbute would be late 14th to early 15th?
So pretty much what limb protection would go with a barbute?
I'll post pics tomorrow.
Adam

Alcyoneus · Post by **Alcyoneus** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:19 am

You can have the barbute, the mail, the brig and nearly full plate arms and legs and be perfectly fine. There are several late 15th C examples similar to this in Madrid.

Chris G. · Post by **Chris G.** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:15 am

I might be wrong on this, but I think Acre was captured in 1291, so unless you are doing a 13th century persona, it would be difficult for you to reside in Acre.

Adamo · Post by **Adamo** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:13 pm

Chris G. wrote:I might be wrong on this, but I think Acre was captured in 1291, so unless you are doing a 13th century persona, it would be difficult for you to reside in Acre.

Yeah...but I'm in the Kingdom of Acre (MSR), so that's where I reside. Eh.
Adam

Oswyn_de_Wulferton · Post by **Oswyn_de_Wulferton** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:14 pm

Pretty sure there were still visitors, but not positive. Try looking into pilgrimages to the area.

Adamo · Post by **Adamo** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:21 pm

Alcyoneus wrote:You can have the barbute, the mail, the brig and nearly full plate arms and legs and be perfectly fine. There are several late 15th C examples similar to this in Madrid.

That's exactly what I was looking for. Is there a certain style of plate arms/legs that would be most appropriate?
IIRC splinted armor lasted in Germany for a while, would there still be any of that floating around?
Here are a few pics of my current kit (I'm in blue and white).
Adam

Steve S. · Post by **Steve S.** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:41 pm

Adamo:

Your kit looks vaguely 14th century-ish to me.

The helm is somewhat generic, but reminds me of a barbute.

The body armour, from what can be seen, looks like a coat of plates to me, possibly from the second half of the 14th century.

Leather legs puts you early-to-mid 14th century. Splinted limb defenses was popular in Germany around the middle of th 14th century as I recall.

Steve

Adamo · Post by **Adamo** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:06 pm

Steve -SoFC- wrote:Your kit looks vaguely 14th century-ish to me.

Yeah, I guess it worked out that way. However I'm looking to change my limb armor. So what I wanna know is what armor would match the barbute helm? Are you saying that I can get away with 14th century armor with a barbute and not be wrong?
Adam

audax · Post by **audax** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:58 am

Full steel plate arms and legs would be better than leather in order to look more distinctively late 14, early 15 Italian and I would say lose the tabard, at least that style. This arm pattern is 15th Italian http://www.armourarchive.org/patterns/a ... hC_sinric/ and here are some matching legs http://www.armourarchive.org/patterns/l ... hC_sinric/

This guy might know a thing or two as well: http://mysite.verizon.net/tulkaz/15th_C ... alian.html

This has the right look, just replace the back and breast with the brig: http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_gothic_armour.html

Adamo · Post by **Adamo** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:33 pm

Thanks. So I guess it's looking like it's gonna be plate...probably more along the lines of this: http://www.armourarchive.org/patterns/a ... hC_sinric/
as opposed to this:
http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_gothic_armour.html
I'm not so big on the huge elbow armor.
Anyone know of armourers who offer stainless arms and legs besides the obvious (read: other than Stonekeep)?
Adam
PS-Nothing against Stonekeep, my spaulders are from him, I'm just curious about options.

audax · Post by **audax** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:03 pm

Icefalcon works exclusively in stainless and he's got some good looking stuff.

Here's period pic of archers in brigs. Add the plate arms and legs and you'll look great. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... S%26sa%3DN

Murdock · Post by **Murdock** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:18 pm

got a pic of you without the tabard.

With the back profile of the helmet it looks more like a celeta to me.

Were i you i would change one or the other.

It's probly cheaper to change the helm than to replace both the arms and legs.

I'd also add splints and dye the leather.

Stonekeep · Post by **Stonekeep** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:38 pm

Adamo wrote:Thanks. So I guess it's looking like it's gonna be plate...probably more along the lines of this: http://www.armourarchive.org/patterns/a ... hC_sinric/
as opposed to this:
http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_gothic_armour.html
I'm not so big on the huge elbow armor.
Anyone know of armourers who offer stainless arms and legs besides the obvious (read: other than Stonekeep)?
Adam
PS-Nothing against Stonekeep, my spaulders are from him, I'm just curious about options.

I have sat here and thought and thought, and cant think of anyone else.... :twisted:

Adamo · Post by **Adamo** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:15 pm

Murdock wrote:got a pic of you without the tabard.
...[snip]...
It's probly cheaper to change the helm than to replace both the arms and legs.

Nope. I only lose the tabard at practices, so no pics. And that may be true about the cost, but my brother is about to start fighting, so the idea is that I'll update the arms and legs and give these to him (they are a set with a matching breastplate that the brig replaced).

Stonekeep wrote:I have sat here and thought and thought, and cant think of anyone else....

Smooth operator.