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Posted: **Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:37 pm**

So I got one of these,http://www.windrosearmoury.com/zc/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30_64_72&products_id=241, it looks great, shaved my rattan slid on the crossgaurd then taped it up and screwed this thinger onto the end...take it to fight practice and block a blow with my sword and all of a sudden my sword feels off balance and a hold is called cause a "wheel" is wheeling around the floor...maybe I didnt use the right kind of screw?

Posted: **Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:40 pm**

What kind of screw did you use?

I have one of those, a screw came with it. It was about 4 inches long and pretty thick. I haven't had any problems with it.

Posted: **Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:41 pm**

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Posted: **Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:42 pm**

not exactly sure...its about, 3 inches long and just a sliver thinner so that the pommel could shift a little but not spin...didnt get any screw with it :sad:

Posted: **Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:55 pm**

i used these

in 4 inch, get quality ones, the cheap ones will twist off about 3/4 into the rattan and make you say "special" words

-L

Posted: **Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:56 pm**

JB Weld. Holds anything.

Posted: **Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:29 pm**

i made a taping fork. basicly banding bolted on then attached to the rattan gripp and taped up with grip tape, lik a U

Posted: **Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:45 pm**

I put one of those on Alisdair MacArthur's tourney sword a three or four years ago. I shaved the rattan to where it was actually just a tiny smidgen too big (like the width of a peice of paper too big) and put some contact cement in the socket, like lots of it. Then I hammered the rattan in, pre drilled the hole, and screwed it down with a three and a half or four inch wood screw, threaded all the way down.

I think it's still on there.

f

Posted: **Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:47 pm**

A friend who shall remain naimless (HIPPA law) fights with one of those on the bottom of this great-sword. It WAS held on by a lag screw similar to what Lienhart Fischer posted... then he happened to be gripping the wheel with his left hand when he took a shot to the hand. The head of the lag bolt split his pinky finger open to the bone.

It was a freak accident that would only happen with a great-sword and not a single sword but... He now has his bolt-heads counter-sunk and I intend to do the same on my 2 that should be coming from Windrose any day now. (they make good stuff)

Sean

Posted: **Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:17 pm**

freiman the minstrel wrote:I put one of those on Alisdair MacArthur's tourney sword a three or four years ago. I shaved the rattan to where it was actually just a tiny smidgen too big (like the width of a peice of paper too big) and put some contact cement in the socket, like lots of it. Then I hammered the rattan in, pre drilled the hole, and screwed it down with a three and a half or four inch wood screw, threaded all the way down.

I think it's still on there.

f

What kind of contact cement did you use?

Posted: **Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:25 pm**

WELD IT!!!

*god... vast amounts of alcohol and me posting on web forum equal bad*

Posted: **Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:27 pm**

MJBlazek wrote:WELD IT!!!

*god... vast amounts of alcohol and me posting on web forum equal bad*

If I were able I would

but the lack of a welder or access to a welder within 2 hours of me (sorry Mad Matt don't think Id make the trip JUST for that) and the fact that its rattan which will burn...make sit a bad choice for me.

Posted: **Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:32 pm**

bleddyn wrote:
MJBlazek wrote:WELD IT!!!

*god... vast amounts of alcohol and me posting on web forum equal bad*

If I were able I would but the lack of a welder or access to a welder within 2 hours of me (sorry Mad Matt don't think Id make the trip JUST for that) and the fact that its rattan which will burn...make sit a bad choice for me.

Sorry.... wine plus Internet access = baaaaddddd

Posted: **Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:24 pm**

MJBlazek wrote:
bleddyn wrote:
MJBlazek wrote:WELD IT!!!

Know the feeling beer+wow=guild confused as hell...

*god... vast amounts of alcohol and me posting on web forum equal bad*

If I were able I would but the lack of a welder or access to a welder within 2 hours of me (sorry Mad Matt don't think Id make the trip JUST for that) and the fact that its rattan which will burn...make sit a bad choice for me.

Sorry.... wine plus Internet access = baaaaddddd

Posted: **Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:50 pm**

MJBlazek wrote:WELD IT!!!

*god... vast amounts of alcohol and me posting on web forum equal bad*

Actually, that was exactly my solution... I had a short piece of tubing welded on, creating more of a socket for the rattan to recess into.

Posted: **Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:52 pm**

I am going to go with the screw idea... since it makes the most sense to me in my state of mind....

thats how I attached my pommel too... though mine is a scent stopper

Posted: **Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:53 pm**

MJBlazek wrote:I am going to go with the screw idea... since it makes the most sense to me in my state of mind....

thats how I attached my pommel too... though mine is a scent stopper

contact cement then wood screw?

Posted: **Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:01 pm**

MJBlazek wrote:WELD IT!!!

*god... vast amounts of alcohol and me posting on web forum equal bad*

there's a fortune to be made by the fellow who figures out how to weld rattan

Posted: **Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:18 pm**

Bleddyn don't cement it in. You are asking for trouble.

Trust me, cementing it in makes it stick, until you need to switch rattan, then you are drilling/cutting/digging the old rattan out.

have you asked Johanness about his taping forks?

Ok, I am home right now, but tomorrow at work I will post and email you my instruction sheet AND photos of how I did my pommel. These are the same instructions that I sent to Johaness after he saw them on the AA. I basically shows you how to use his taping forks to keep your pommel on.

I have yet to have a pommel come off with this method.

Posted: **Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:51 am**

Ok, here is the file. I will post it here and email you a larger version.

Posted: **Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:53 am**

Posted: **Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:17 am**

So do you buy the taping fork, or is it something you made?

Posted: **Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:51 am**

bleddyn wrote:
freiman the minstrel wrote:I put one of those on Alisdair MacArthur's tourney sword a three or four years ago. I shaved the rattan to where it was actually just a tiny smidgen too big (like the width of a peice of paper too big) and put some contact cement in the socket, like lots of it. Then I hammered the rattan in, pre drilled the hole, and screwed it down with a three and a half or four inch wood screw, threaded all the way down.

I think it's still on there.

f

What kind of contact cement did you use?

Elmer's Bullsnot. Otherwise known as Elmer's Contact Cement. Just basic glue, but with a flexible bond.

f

Posted: **Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:13 am**

Oswyn, Windrose sells the taping forks also but I found them to be a little thick.

I made my own using the metal strapping strips that they use to secure stuff to pallets. You can find the stuff lying around at Home Depot or Lowe's in the lumber area.

Uric

Posted: **Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:24 am**

I use a tiny washer an a lonnng star-drive wood screw.

Posted: **Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:57 am**

Blackoak wrote:Oswyn, Windrose sells the taping forks also but I found them to be a little thick.

I made my own using the metal strapping strips that they use to secure stuff to pallets. You can find the stuff lying around at Home Depot or Lowe's in the lumber area.

Uric

What Blackoak said.

You can buy the forks from Windrose. The one in the picture is one of theirs.

However you can make your own, it is essentially a " I_I " shaped piece with a hole drilled in the bottom.

If you make your own I only recommend that you do NOT use tempered steel like hacksaw blades. Steel like that or spring steel etc. tend to fracture and break at the bend points.

Posted: **Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:00 pm**

And for an added bonus, here is the diagram for putting a nice tape/grip job on your new handle. I use black athletic tape.

Posted: **Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:14 pm**

My lagbolt vibrated the rattan to death eventually - it turned to powder around the thread.

Posted: **Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:12 pm**

I used a very large wood screw, about the size of a lag bolt. Pre drilled the hole and put water in it. Coated the screw with some gorilla glue and put it in place.

Posted: **Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:24 pm**

adamstjohn wrote:My lagbolt vibrated the rattan to death eventually - it turned to powder around the thread.

that is the reason I do not like the wood screw/lag bolt method. Because when they fail you end up with a impromptu Caltrop on the battle field. A nice long pointy spike with a weighted end.

the method I illustrate above take longer to do, but I have never had one come off. It is easy to switch the hardware out to new rattan.

Posted: **Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:30 pm**

4.5" deck screw and some shoe goo

Posted: **Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:02 pm**

I use a tap (5/16") to thread the inside of the pommel and then attach it to the sword using a hanger bolt. It's easy to remove from the bolt for use on another sword. For the installing the bolt in the rattan, use epoxy. It makes a solid bond for the bolt and keeps the handle from splitting. I've been using this method for at least 5 years and never had a problem.

Posted: **Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:42 am**

B. Amos wrote:4.5" deck screw and some shoe goo

Thats what I use, works well.

Posted: **Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:37 am**

4 1/2 to 5 inch lag bolt...

You can get them at any Lowes or Home Depot.

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