Eirik wrote:In Meridies, Sir Stuart fights with a split rattan glaive. He split the rattan and wedged little rolls of leather into the ends of the split to keep it open.
Thusly:
How sturdy is this wonderful looking Glaive? Cause if it can take a beating year-around, then I will try it.
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Eirik wrote:In Meridies, Sir Stuart fights with a split rattan glaive. He split the rattan and wedged little rolls of leather into the ends of the split to keep it open.
Thusly:
How sturdy is this wonderful looking Glaive? Cause if it can take a beating year-around, then I will try it.
If made properly they hold up well.
When they do break you can remake the haft into a sword.
John Widcombe wrote:I don't think they would hit harder than a greatsword, so I don't think it's a safety issue.
I don't see why we can't build them like Sir Corby's design, with the head being rattan. My objection to the padded ones is that they go *thud* not !CRAK! Pillow on a stick.
John Widcombe wrote:I don't think they would hit harder than a greatsword, so I don't think it's a safety issue.
I don't see why we can't build them like Sir Corby's design, with the head being rattan. My objection to the padded ones is that they go *thud* not !CRAK! Pillow on a stick.
Indeed. I also find it changes how the weapon handles and often padded poles look too bulky to my eye.
Split rattan is interesting to me though.
Can anyone explain the proper way to construct a split rattan polearm?
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Martel le Hardi
black for the darkness of the path
red for a fiery passion
white for the blinding illumination
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Ursus, verily thou rocketh.
mine hit a bit light at first, but with adding another block to brace the sepearation it now hits right (the testing being my friend standing still and my whacking him with a good blow.....light....ramp up and repeat)
Nissan Maxima wrote:I don't have a camera handy, but I just carved a glaive out of a 4 inch thick rattan log. The head is 3.5 inches by 2 inches by 20 inches. The handle is a oval 1.5x1.25. It is unpadded, and looks glaivey...
Jeebus, Nissan, where did you find 4" rattan?! And, is there any left over? Seriously, I need a really beefy 24" chunk of rattan for a project I have in mind, and I would love to know where I could get my hands on something like that.
Many medieval polearms did not have big honkin' heads on them - I've seen glaives, bills, and other cutting/hewing spears that had narrow enough blades that they'd be reasonably simulated by unpadded rattan (especially now that the thrusting tip is not required by Society to be 2" across). However, they all had much shorter blades than is the norm for unpadded SCA glaives.
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Out of curiosity, is rubber, such as that used on the common SCA axe heads usable with glaive blades, that is, if one can find said type of rubber at Lowes etc? What about leather along the blade? I just want my glaive to have some pop and I want to try a padded one before I attempt a split style.
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Martel le Hardi
black for the darkness of the path
red for a fiery passion
white for the blinding illumination
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Ursus, verily thou rocketh.
Unless I am misunderstanding things, it is. From the society handbook on acknowledging blows:
2. An effective blow from an axe, mace, polearm, greatsword, or other mass weapon, which lands on the hip above the hip socket or strikes the shoulder inside the shoulder socket, shall be judged fatal or completely disabling.
Edit: Apparently the official classification is:
Two-handed cutting or smashing weapons: includes two-handed swords, greatswords, bastard swords, polearms, and similar weapons.
however, for blow acknowledgement, no difference, so...
I guess I just view a polearm as a cutting and piercing weapon rather than a mass weapon like a mace. The edges are marked as opposed to things like maces which can kill no matter what part of the head you use.
doesn't mean I'm not going to smash you with it.
Martel le Hardi
black for the darkness of the path
red for a fiery passion
white for the blinding illumination
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Ursus, verily thou rocketh.
audax wrote:I guess I just view a polearm as a cutting and piercing weapon rather than a mass weapon like a mace. The edges are marked as opposed to things like maces which can kill no matter what part of the head you use.
doesn't mean I'm not going to smash you with it.
heh..know whatcha mean...I love polearms
just want to make sure all know to treat blows like a mass weapon..ie hip and shoulder shots are game stoppers
audax wrote:I guess I just view a polearm as a cutting and piercing weapon rather than a mass weapon like a mace. The edges are marked as opposed to things like maces which can kill no matter what part of the head you use.
doesn't mean I'm not going to smash you with it.
heh..know whatcha mean...I love polearms
just want to make sure all know to treat blows like a mass weapon..ie hip and shoulder shots are game stoppers
Hope to fight ya one day
Bjorn
YOu bet.
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red for a fiery passion
white for the blinding illumination
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Ursus, verily thou rocketh.
He is my first polearm it's supposed to be a glaive I think it looks rather glaivy, it now has a crack running the length of it, not bad for a 2 year old weapon. My new one will be under 7ft with a split rattan head aprox. 14 inches I think I'll keep the lugs too. Hay Leo can this work in your world?
Or, if you're me, unpadded polearms are a halbstang (which is to say, a German training weapon of the 16th century, readily translated as "half-staff", which I guess makes it as good as two quarterstaves, right?)
It's what the guys I'm trying to be like used, to train themselves to fight with polearms. Except halbstangen didn't cave in their skulls, so that their partners were pretty likely to survive the training.
Nuada wrote:He is my first polearm it's supposed to be a glaive I think it looks rather glaivy, it now has a crack running the length of it, not bad for a 2 year old weapon. My new one will be under 7ft with a split rattan head aprox. 14 inches I think I'll keep the lugs too. Hay Leo can this work in your world?
Not trying to be a persnickity, but what you've got yourself there is a partisan.
The lingo gets a bit funky, because it's a mix of different languages across different times, but generally speaking, glaives are single-bladed (that is to say, they have an edge on one side only).
I know that is why the white tape is on only one side not the back side. The new one will probably have tape on the back side as I feel limited with no back swing. Either way I like the weapon, it handles right and is blade heavy so it swings with authority. I can block pike shots and foul sword blows with the lugs as well as peal shields for my pike buddy.
Not trying to be a persnickity, but what you've got yourself there is a partisan.
The lingo gets a bit funky, because it's a mix of different languages across different times, but generally speaking, glaives are single-bladed (that is to say, they have an edge on one side only).
Or, if you're me, unpadded polearms are a halbstang (which is to say, a German training weapon of the 16th century, readily translated as "half-staff", which I guess makes it as good as two quarterstaves, right?)
It's what the guys I'm trying to be like used, to train themselves to fight with polearms. Except halbstangen didn't cave in their skulls, so that their partners were pretty likely to survive the training.
Which seems, well, kind of familiar to me...
We were just having a similar discussion about weapons in the shaved rattan weapons thread.
It all comes down to....are we using "weapons" or are we using batons like a dismounted behourd combat. There are people doing all and none of this. So, if a guy is playing "war" and is using a "pollaxe" can he ignore the "training weapon" because it is a staff?
I'm just playing devil's advocate because I know that 90% of the people who use stick polearms for SCA combat are using them because they game the rules system. I know, because for years I was one of those.
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Nuada wrote:He is my first polearm it's supposed to be a glaive I think it looks rather glaivy, it now has a crack running the length of it, not bad for a 2 year old weapon. My new one will be under 7ft with a split rattan head aprox. 14 inches I think I'll keep the lugs too. Hay Leo can this work in your world?
Not trying to be a persnickity, but what you've got yourself there is a partisan.
The lingo gets a bit funky, because it's a mix of different languages across different times, but generally speaking, glaives are single-bladed (that is to say, they have an edge on one side only).
Really ? I've always understood partisans to be symmetrical and this weapon clearly is not. But then, there really is no hard and fast nomenclature for the various forms of sword on a stick, axe on a stick, cleaver on a stick
I think mine is glaivey looking.
http://www.whitemountainarmoury.com/ima ... gnus08.jpg I like all the ones posted here, but dont get why you would tape it in such a way as to show its construction, it just ends up not looking like a real weapon, or atleast not as as real as rattan and tape can look.
I am not realy aware of any medieval blade with big slots you can see through
white mountain armoury wrote:I think mine is glaivey looking. http://www.whitemountainarmoury.com/ima ... gnus08.jpg I like all the ones posted here, but dont get why you would tape it in such a way as to show its construction, it just ends up not looking like a real weapon, or atleast not as as real as rattan and tape can look. I am not realy aware of any medieval blade with big slots you can see through
You do find historic examples with piercework, but it never looks like the split rattan heads
I've nurtured for years a small dream of getting a really monstrous piece of rattan, a plank about 1.5 by 10 inches or so, and cutting out a halberd or partisan, complete with piercework drilled through it.
And then watching marshals have fits because it's on its face perfectly legal - and I bet there's no chance it would actually be acceptably safe on the field.
Leo Medii wrote: I'm just playing devil's advocate because I know that 90% of the people who use stick polearms for SCA combat are using them because they game the rules system. I know, because for years I was one of those.
When you say things like this, you make me want to meet you more and more.
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(on Pennsic) I know that movie. It is the 13th warrior. A bunch of guys in armour that doesn't match itself or anybody elses, go on a trip and argue and get drunk and get laid and then fight Tuchux.
cfournier wrote:Or, if you're me, unpadded polearms are a halbstang (which is to say, a German training weapon of the 16th century, readily translated as "half-staff", which I guess makes it as good as two quarterstaves, right?)
"Quarter staff" is a term for how you hold the staff or fighting with the staff, not an actual weapon.
It's what the guys I'm trying to be like used, to train themselves to fight with polearms. Except halbstangen didn't cave in their skulls, so that their partners were pretty likely to survive the training.
Which seems, well, kind of familiar to me...
Ok, cool, play with the unpadded pole at practice, but use a "headed" pole arm for events.
Insane Irish
Quote: "Nissan Maxima"
(on Pennsic) I know that movie. It is the 13th warrior. A bunch of guys in armour that doesn't match itself or anybody elses, go on a trip and argue and get drunk and get laid and then fight Tuchux.
Do the heads for say ByMyHand need to have additional padding on the striking surface or are they good as is? I keep getting conflicting answers.
Depends on the kingdom. In Calontir they need extra padding to pass.
Insane Irish
Quote: "Nissan Maxima"
(on Pennsic) I know that movie. It is the 13th warrior. A bunch of guys in armour that doesn't match itself or anybody elses, go on a trip and argue and get drunk and get laid and then fight Tuchux.
Dilan wrote:99% sure you have to pad them in the Midrealm.
Ok THAT explains the problem.... was getting ok-ed in out-kingdom events and gigged on inner now I see why... do you know if a leather 'clacker' is allowed over the padding???
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They are supposed to be padded in the East... well the wording is odd.
I friend of mine who is a KSCA (Sir Cedric of Thanet) had an interesting interpretation on a couple of his new poles...
He put the 1/2 inch of foam between the rubber head and the rattan instead of putting the foam along the face of the rubber head because as he said "(I) Didn't want to ruin the profile of the blade."
