Has anyone made a study of Pietro Monte

Dragon_Argent · Post by **Dragon_Argent** » Thu May 14, 2009 12:17 am

In particular his specific techniques? and if so are there images, info, youtube footage - whatever of this???

thanks,

Saritor · Post by **Saritor** » Thu May 14, 2009 8:48 am

He was listed by Greg Mele in the list of sources for the novice spear material that Greg's taught. I know Aemma and SSG also include Monte in the source list for the spear and pollaxe material.

I know several other folks have copies of Monte's work -- Steve Hick, Matt Easton, I think there's a copy floating around TSD -- but I don't know whether or how much work has been done above and beyond just having the copy.

Winterfell · Post by **Winterfell** » Thu May 14, 2009 9:54 am

Worked a little bit with Steve Hicks on it awhile ago.

Peikko · Post by **Peikko** » Thu May 14, 2009 10:40 am

you could just go with the source:
http://www.fioredeiliberi.org/topics/so ... llectanea/

Russ Mitchell · Post by **Russ Mitchell** » Thu May 14, 2009 11:04 am

I transcribed some of it, but found it VERY hard slogging.

Ken Mondschein · Post by **Ken Mondschein** » Thu May 14, 2009 12:59 pm

Professor Anglo is translating it.

Dragon_Argent · Post by **Dragon_Argent** » Thu May 14, 2009 5:06 pm

WOW!
Thanks to all! you have been very helpful.

Steve Hick · Post by **Steve Hick** » Sat May 16, 2009 3:40 pm

Ken Mondschein wrote:Professor Anglo is translating it.

Jeff Forgeng is also translating it....

Tom Leoni has done parts, at least.

The typography is difficult, the Latin is very refined, but interesting, I would say the vocabulary eschews the more common usage, and it does, when it has to, have a lot of loan words.

I have some parts. It is very interesting. It is essentially a collection of notes, covering many different topics. I (eye) think for the fighting arts, it clearly supports the contention that Monte was Spanish -- the sword and two handed sword have significant hallmarks that lead me to this. I have not looked at the shield sections. Monte covers several different kinds, including the adarga, again, a Spanish thing. There is a MS in El Escorial in Spain, in Spanish, that may either be notes by Monte, or notes by another on the Collectanea. I have not done a side by side comparison of the texts to determine if they are the same. Also there are MSS also attributed to Monte (e.g. Ars Palestrina in Italy) which might allow comparison of the hands.

I have done a fairly extensive analysis of the two handed section, and presented one small portion as part of my presentation and class at Dijon this year, just last weekend.

Steve

Baron Alejandro · Post by **Baron Alejandro** » Sun May 17, 2009 11:05 am

Here at the Univ of Missouri, there's actually a fairly strong dept. for the study of classics, medieval, & renaissance studies. Lots of classicists, humanists, archaeologists, & humanists running around. The Silver Lady, for instance, is plowing through her Master's on Byzantine textiles.

So last night I took the Silver Lady and one of her friends, who is ABD in Classics to a party, and they all got hammered on irish car bombs.

The long & short of it is, after the friend woke up on my sofa and got caffeinated, I showed her some of the plates from Monte; she started reading it out loud, translating in her head as she went. I showed her how many pages there were in the folio, and a string of obscenities erupted telling me where to go and what to do with a translation of this. :oops:

However, I did finally wrangle up a couple names of professors here at Mizzou who might be interested in translating this. I'll print off a couple pages from the Liberi website and talk to them on Monday morning (if they're around -the semester just got out) and see if any of them would be intrigued enough to take a whack at it.

SirAngus · Post by **SirAngus** » Mon May 18, 2009 8:57 am

Yup, Jeff Forgeng is currently translating it and then others will interpret the martial parts of it. Looks like it will be a very cool project!

Dragon_Argent · Post by **Dragon_Argent** » Mon May 18, 2009 5:01 pm

Thanks again everyone- I will look out for these translations.
I am only just getting back in to 16th C fence after years of doing earlier periods so I am clearly behind with current research!

Steve Hick · Post by **Steve Hick** » Tue May 19, 2009 7:53 am

Dragon_Argent wrote:Thanks again everyone- I will look out for these translations.
I am only just getting back in to 16th C fence after years of doing earlier periods so I am clearly behind with current research!

Oh yeah, oh yeah. Matt Galas, Fabrice Cognot and I gave a talk at University of Burgundy two weeks ago, 2 hours, only the high points of the new stuff these last two years.
Steve