spear info for a newb

THORNtheUNLIKEABLE · Post by **THORNtheUNLIKEABLE** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:01 pm

where is the best place to find a good quality spear . im in need of a spear that meets sca east kingdom requirments. looking to try and find one with evrything i need in one shot. but any info is very appreciated

Roland Brokentooth · Post by **Roland Brokentooth** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:16 pm

Talk to the Dukes.

Icefalcon has spears of both the whole and take down variety.

Duke Logan has some nifty new spears that have a nice wood grain look to them.

THORNtheUNLIKEABLE · Post by **THORNtheUNLIKEABLE** » Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:55 am

not to start anything but what are the pros and cons of either shaft is one better then the other or just personal prefference?

Eirik · Post by **Eirik** » Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:10 am

THORNtheUNLIKEABLE wrote:not to start anything but what are the pros and cons of either shaft is one better then the other or just personal prefference?

Well... rattan spears flex more and have characteristics associated with that physics subset... pultruded fiberglass spears don't flex as much, and can be heavier. Duke Icefalcon sells the entire kit, shaft and all the components for the tip. Duke Logan sells wood grain pultruded fiberglass shafts in 2 thicknesses one which is SCA minimum thickness, and another, which is thicker and heavier and pretty dang near indestructible.

SO... to sum up

Rattan- Potentially not as heavy, has more flex.

Normal Pultruded Fiberglass- Looks.. well.. red. Can be heavier, has less flex.

Woodgrain Normal Pultruded Fiberglass- same as above, only cool because it looks like wood.

Woodgrain "Kryptonite" Pultruded Fiberglass- same as above, only heavier and Superman can't break it.

It can be a matter of personal preference, though I am certain that pundits for each school can produce scientific studies complete with graphs, charts, transparencies, power point presentations and 8x10 glossy photographs supporting why their prefered style is superior. (In fact, I'm sure, if we were to have an indepth discussion, there would be those who would claim the rules should never have been changed to allow fiberglass spears, and that Combat Archery sucks)
Some personal observations: I've never seen a rattan spear broken. (could be a baby pigeon, I don't know...) I have had a knight get righteously pissed enough to stop a war because I'd grabbed his fiberglass spear with my hand and he feared I would break it, so if you're the kind of guy who hates getting his toys broken, either go with rattan or Duke Logan's heavy spear.

If you have the time, I'd recomend playing with one or two and see which one you like the best.

Is that what you're needing? Sorry in advance if I misunderstood....

THORNtheUNLIKEABLE · Post by **THORNtheUNLIKEABLE** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:36 am

it helps alot. i dont mean to show my ignorence when it comes to my questions. i like everyone else am strap for cash , i just want to find the most dependable equipment . ive learned alot from reading alot of the post here ,and i appreciate what all of you guys bring to the table for us newbies

Chris G. · Post by **Chris G.** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:07 am

While most people don't bring them to every practice, especially this time of year, ask some of your locals if they can bring some spears out for you to try.

Roland Brokentooth · Post by **Roland Brokentooth** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:45 pm

THORNtheUNLIKEABLE wrote:it helps alot. i dont mean to show my ignorence when it comes to my questions. i like everyone else am strap for cash , i just want to find the most dependable equipment . ive learned alot from reading alot of the post here ,and i appreciate what all of you guys bring to the table for us newbies

You never show ignorance when you ask questions.

Urdok · Post by **Urdok** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:21 pm

As far as performance- the flex or lack of flex is a real game changer. In my opinion, the lack of flex on fiberglass spears gives them a big advantage when you get drawn into a fencing match with opposing spearmen and makes the weapon better at prying shields open.

On rattan's side, you get to use a head that's a third smaller, which is always nice, and bend that they all develop can make it tougher for the person on the receiving end of a shot to judge its target. I haven't weighed either of my weapons, but I have a feeling the rattan might be lighter too.

I'd recommend going to a war and trying out both types, especially before committing to fiberglass. Unless you can get to a seriously huge practice, I don't think you'll really get a feel for the differences in performance on a line. Alternatively, you can always by a rattan stave and cut it down for other weapons if you don't like it as a spear.

dukelogan · Post by **dukelogan** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:22 pm

correct! there are no stupid questions, only stupid people.

if you want most dependable then our thicker spear is the only option. that said, the red ones my brother ice sells will hold up well to sca sport combat. if money is an issue then you should probably pick a red one up from ice at a local event as the shipping cost from me would add to the overall cost.

also, be careful if you buy a spear from me as reports are filtering in on random attack by women on those that own an ebonwoulfe woodgrain spear because of their "sexy factor". recently the dread overlord nissan (or, as we call him, kia sorento) was reportedly mauled by a horde or hormone driven asian anime girls while shopping for his new lady gaga shirt at hot topic because of an image that was posted on some fetish website of him with one of our spears. he is said to be recovering well from the physical injuries until the emotional damage can be assessed.

regards
logan

Raulin Arbor wrote:
THORNtheUNLIKEABLE wrote:it helps alot. i dont mean to show my ignorence when it comes to my questions. i like everyone else am strap for cash , i just want to find the most dependable equipment . ive learned alot from reading alot of the post here ,and i appreciate what all of you guys bring to the table for us newbies

You never show ignorance when you ask questions.

THORNtheUNLIKEABLE · Post by **THORNtheUNLIKEABLE** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:52 pm

thanks to all who replied with advise im going to find a fighter practice and see what i can find works for me , and the wood grain spears are very "sexy" ive yet to meet nissan but seems quite interesting from what ive heard lol.

Eirik · Post by **Eirik** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:58 pm

THORNtheUNLIKEABLE wrote:it helps alot. i dont mean to show my ignorence when it comes to my questions. i like everyone else am strap for cash , i just want to find the most dependable equipment . ive learned alot from reading alot of the post here ,and i appreciate what all of you guys bring to the table for us newbies

Not a problem in the least, and you'll find lots of folks here who like helping folks achieve their goals

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Have fun playing spear!!

Agnarr · Post by **Agnarr** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:24 pm

dukelogan wrote:correct! there are no stupid questions, only stupid people.

if you want most dependable then our thicker spear is the only option. that said, the red ones my brother ice sells will hold up well to sca sport combat. if money is an issue then you should probably pick a red one up from ice at a local event as the shipping cost from me would add to the overall cost.

also, be careful if you buy a spear from me as reports are filtering in on random attack by women on those that own an ebonwoulfe woodgrain spear because of their "sexy factor". recently the dread overlord nissan (or, as we call him, kia sorento) was reportedly mauled by a horde or hormone driven asian anime girls while shopping for his new lady gaga shirt at hot topic because of an image that was posted on some fetish website of him with one of our spears. he is said to be recovering well from the physical injuries until the emotional damage can be assessed.

regards
logan

Raulin Arbor wrote:
THORNtheUNLIKEABLE wrote:it helps alot. i dont mean to show my ignorence when it comes to my questions. i like everyone else am strap for cash , i just want to find the most dependable equipment . ive learned alot from reading alot of the post here ,and i appreciate what all of you guys bring to the table for us newbies

You never show ignorance when you ask questions.

I think Kia Sorento is a Korean Name.

Nissan Maxima · Post by **Nissan Maxima** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:08 am

dukelogan wrote:
also, be careful if you buy a spear from me as reports are filtering in on random attack by women on those that own an ebonwoulfe woodgrain spear because of their "sexy factor". recently the dread overlord nissan (or, as we call him, kia sorento) was reportedly mauled by a horde or hormone driven asian anime girls while shopping for his new lady gaga shirt at hot topic because of an image that was posted on some fetish website of him with one of our spears. he is said to be recovering well from the physical injuries until the emotional damage can be assessed.

regards
logan

Niiiice. I will of course now be forced to stabify you in the head with one of your own, truly excellent spears.