Otto's Order list

Coenred · Post by **Coenred** » Fri May 14, 2010 11:47 am

I will continue to try to contact him. I'm not out a lot of money but it is the principle of the matter. I just hope he contacts me before he ships out my order since I have moved (twice) since the order was placed.

On another note, I have gone ahead and ordered a different helm so I am still out swinging.

Coenred

DeCalmont · Post by **DeCalmont** » Fri May 14, 2010 4:56 pm

Violen wrote:You are correct.

Except that if you look above my post you will see there are people specifically waiting on the goods they bought from otto, before they can fight or go to a war.

This is unacceptable thinking. A fair number of people bought stuff from him last summer, and it is almost _THIS SUMMER_.

If you need stuff that you bought from otto, waiting on it is a bad idea. Buy it somewhere else so you can get yourself/yourfriends on the field.

When and IF his stuff arrives. Sell it. Give it Away.

Dont wait on it.

And there's the rub for some people. They may have already spent the money they allotted for such purchases and now either cannot or will not spend more. I think this should be highlighted to those who would take others money. Someone now is either unable to or unwilling to part with more money and can now not participate due to their inability to provide the service that was paid for in good faith.

Croaker · Post by **Croaker** » Sat May 15, 2010 2:38 pm

DeCalmont got my story nailed down. Im new to the SCA and someone sent me here and to Otto. I used the extent of my disposable income on a helm... now over nine months later I really don't have any extra money, its been a tight year for everyone, and now I don't have a helm and the loner one I was using is no longer available so I have no choice but to wait and hope I'll see a helm before the summer is over so I can get out onto the field.

Otto if you read this please let us know what is going on...

Caemgen mac Garbith · Wed May 19, 2010 12:09 pm

Croaker wrote:DeCalmont got my story nailed down. Im new to the SCA and someone sent me here and to Otto. I used the extent of my disposable income on a helm... now over nine months later I really don't have any extra money, its been a tight year for everyone, and now I don't have a helm and the loner one I was using is no longer available so I have no choice but to wait and hope I'll see a helm before the summer is over so I can get out onto the field.

Otto if you read this please let us know what is going on...

This. The time of my being able to use my loaner helm is quickly coming to an end.

Chief · Post by **Chief** » Wed May 19, 2010 6:25 pm

I'm really in the same ship as you guys. I ordered my helm and a lot of other things during his sale and spent a little over 200 and that was all the money I had to buy a helm with. It's going on close to a year now and I've only gotten him to respond a few times by emails. This is the second time I've been screwed on this forum for a helm. The first just wasn't made to the specs I told him I needed for my large ass head. So that was a waste of like 100 bucks and now this 200. I don't think I'll ever order anything off of this forum again because of all this. Not unless I can wait to pay until I actually get my order in the mail and it fits right.

Edit*
BTW, I like how this is his first post in this forum.

"OK, here's the folks currently for the next couple weeks.
Caspar - shipping tomorrow, sincerely hope it's not too late.
Thorgrim
Ben Gordon
Emerson
Thorne
Chris Home
Kelly Moorman
Ryan Thomas
John Chamberlin
Katie Humphreys
Gary Thigpen
Wayne Wright
others as quickly as possible after that. "

I'm pretty sure that this name is suppose to be me.. Chris Home.
It's suppose to be Chris Horne. Either way, if it was suppose to be me then it's been more like 5 months and still nothing from him.

Jonathon More · Post by **Jonathon More** » Wed May 19, 2010 6:45 pm

Chief wrote: I don't think I'll ever order anything off of this forum again because of all this. Not unless I can wait to pay until I actually get my order in the mail and it fits right..

FWIW, the archive has nothing to do with what happened. It would be more accurate to say that you have had problems with two purchases made from individuals you conatacted through this forum, rather than two transactions off this forum. I know, it sounds like semantics, especially when you're out a few hundred bucks. The other option you have is to buy face to face at events from stock on hand.

Randy W · Post by **Randy W** » Wed May 19, 2010 7:09 pm

Chief - how large a head, and where is Ross, Ohio .... I have a large helm and live north of Columbus, I'd make you a good deal on it and if close enough could be face-to-face

Randy

Chief · Post by **Chief** » Wed May 19, 2010 9:09 pm

Randy W wrote:Chief - how large a head, and where is Ross, Ohio .... I have a large helm and live north of Columbus, I'd make you a good deal on it and if close enough could be face-to-face

Randy

Last I checked my head was about 26 inches around.

Ross is about 30-45 mins away from downtown Cincinnati. Or if you know where Hamilton is it's about 10 mins from there. Your probably a bit too far of a drive I'm guessing.

Don't get me wrong though, I don't blame everyone on the forum for what these people did, but I can't take the chance on throwing away more money than I already have. That's why I'll probably only make deals in person from now on.

Tobar · Post by **Tobar** » Fri May 21, 2010 10:51 pm

this still sucks no hat no collar wtf

Greenshield · Post by **Greenshield** » Mon May 24, 2010 11:30 am

BumP

Perhaps it's time to have a lawyer send him a letter.

Caemgen mac Garbith · Wed May 26, 2010 11:35 am

Donaven · Post by **Donaven** » Sun May 30, 2010 12:09 am

I agree maybe it is time to get outside forces involved. I think lawyer fees would be better spent at another armorer though.

RomeBuff · Post by **RomeBuff** » Sun May 30, 2010 3:50 pm

I am also out $$$ for two pairs of greaves (1/2 price sale) last fall.... and my kingdom just changed its appearence laws so hubby and I have to come up with another solution.

so...just another bump.

Livia

DeCalmont · Post by **DeCalmont** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:58 pm

Anybody with news?

Donaven · Post by **Donaven** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:49 pm

None here. Does anyone know Otto IRL?

MXBNW · Post by **MXBNW** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:57 pm

Nothing here for over 2 months.

Coenred · Post by **Coenred** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 7:04 pm

Nope...no responses to e-mails either.

Bernhart von Bruck · Post by **Bernhart von Bruck** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:15 am

Nothing since, Feb I think.

JvR · Post by **JvR** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:14 am

Those half off and other discounted sales were major red flags for me. Glad I didnt order anything from this guy.

Greenshield · Post by **Greenshield** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:10 pm

Croaker · Post by **Croaker** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:39 pm

I've basically written this off, it's really cool getting scammed when your new to the sport and spend all you hobby money on a "learning experience". I don't blame the AA community I've really gotten a lot of support and really enjoyed learning about armour and the SCA. Saving up my money again and trying to track down another starter helm...

Hrolfr · Post by **Hrolfr** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 5:40 am

Donaven wrote:None here. Does anyone know Otto IRL?

Met a couple times at Val Day. I apologize to anyone who bought on my reccomendation. He used to be pretty solid as a businessman and armorer...

Stonekeep · Post by **Stonekeep** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 8:06 am

He was making helms for us for a couple years, and unfortunately i saw this coming...

Anyone who starts offerring huge sales like HALF off, means they already are not making enough of a profit to stay in business to begin with, and are needing money to make last months rent. Unfortunately, the money you send them goes to pay last months rent, not the materials needed to make your helm. I mentioned that to him at the time I saw the sale go up.

Since the recession started, not only have we had no sale prices, but we have had to do a 20% across the board increase, and cut out some of our services, like shipping Every day, and our turnaround is not as fast as it was two years ago, because I dont waste money on overtime or carry a crew of five junior armorers anymore. BUT, we are still a viable business and wont be closing anytime soon.

Im sure he will show back up eventually, but i havent had any contact with him since I saw his posting where he was undercutting the wholesale prices to me by half straight to the public. He immediately lost 70-100 helms a year right then and there.

DeCalmont · Post by **DeCalmont** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 2:20 pm

Boomlaor · Post by **Boomlaor** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:49 am

Well, my "should be done in 30 days" order turned one year old on June 25. I've already written this one off and bought another helm elsewhere. Them's the breaks sometimes.

Boomlaor

Bernhart von Bruck · Post by **Bernhart von Bruck** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:27 am

chello!

I have about 3 weeks to go until my 1 yr. mark.

MXBNW · Post by **MXBNW** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:17 pm

July 15th it will be one year

DeCalmont · Post by **DeCalmont** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:48 pm

Was a year 3 days ago.

Joseph D · Post by **Joseph D** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:01 pm

When I saw him post his big sale I almost bought some stuff but I had a gut feeling that stopped me. It's a real shame what happened, hopefully you guys get your items eventually.

darksole03 · Post by **darksole03** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:49 am

did otto die or something?

Greenshield · Post by **Greenshield** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:56 pm

No he hasn't, though many here might wish it were so. At lest then he would have an excuse and not just a thieving, honorless bastard.

Coenred · Post by **Coenred** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:54 pm

MXBNW wrote:July 15th it will be one year

Same here.

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 10:41 pm

Coenred wrote:
MXBNW wrote:July 15th it will be one year

Same here.

Same here.

Tobar · Post by **Tobar** » Sun Jul 04, 2010 12:16 am

WAHOO my year doesn't come up till Aug 31 .... sigh

Caemgen mac Garbith · Thu Jul 08, 2010 12:12 am

Tobar wrote:WAHOO my year doesn't come up till Aug 31 .... sigh

Small consolation. I've got a bit until my year too.