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I saw this thread, and while my protection is very good for SCA combat, I'd rather have more than less protection.

Go to Lloyd's comments...and then cringe.



http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/ ... p?t=109887



So who sells brayettes in stainless steel?

With respect,

-Aaron

I didn't need to read that.

http://popup.lala.com/popup/360569479532610670

Not work safe....

Holy crap.. Ouch.. I can't say anything else..

Why do you need a brayette?
Are you taking up jousting?

Naw. Jousting is too expensive for me, and I've seen some bad injuries. I was just thinking almost all my rig is stainless steel...except for my plastic cup. They should be protected enough...but I thought I'd just send out a request to see if someone sells them. Obviously jousters need them.

-Aaron

Reading these two threads all I can think of is that scene in Supertroopers were Mac is getting shot in the bulletproof cup...


"Good enough to...."


You guys can fill in the blanks.

dear god.

So, does anyone sell them? Can you move with one on?

I've got a mail drape and a good solid plastic cup...but maybe just a bit more might be better?

-Aaron

Kevlar?

check with a good marshal arts supply shop.
Muay Thai cups are traditionaly steel or stainless thought the suspension is a little odd. Many people just clip the strings and use a regular jock strap/compression shorts.
http://www.kofightsports.com/item.asp?itemid=12

About now someone will step in and mention Either a NHL goalie cup or the nuttbuddy.
http://www.hockeydogs.com/drgas1000hock ... enior.aspx

http://www.nuttybuddy.com/xcart/product ... t=1&page=1

Though on horseback some of these may not be the most comfortable.

I thought if jousters had a lot made, I could buy one, if I could move with it.

Steel everything, but a cup, sounds odd IMO.

And Rod Walker's situation sounds like it HURT badly.

-Aaron

Goalie cup. Proven first in hockey, sprawled out, flat on my back, skates tward open ice, slapper came in 6-8 inches above the ice level. It hit home, and left me with only the slightest of discomfort.

Aaron,

I would check with HE, someone that carries GDFB maille, or anyone of our maille-makers here on the Archive. Lonewolf Chainmaille made my last one, but I have had a number of them over the years (if you can get rivetted or welded, that would be the ideal).

On horseback, it is impractical (okay, pretty damn impossible) to wear a cup as it impedes your ability to ride. Brayettes (a maille skirt) gives us decent protection and can be draped over the front of the saddle.

While direct "crotch shots" are very rare, many times when lances hit tip-to-tip (as in the case with Rod and I) the lance is directed away from where you are aiming. In the case with Rod and I, both lances ended up in our "personals". Rod was wearing a very period 16th century tilting kit, with full slops and no brayette.

IMHO, a brayette (much as voiders) "completes" a plate armour kit. Yes, you can move in them and they don't restrict your movement and, even if you are wearing a cup, it gives you that one more layer of protection that your Lady is sure to appreciate .

Cool.

I've got a mail skirt. I just didn't know it was called a brayette.

I thought it was some 12 ga stainless cup, like Henry VIII would like to wear in his "brag armour."

OK, move along people...nothing to see here...Aaron was just stupid, again...situation normal...

-Aaron

Aaron wrote:I thought if jousters had a lot made, I could buy one,

Most of us made our own.
I don't know of any retailers that sell them.

Aaron wrote:I've got a mail skirt. I just didn't know it was called a brayette.

You might talk with sonofmailler he was looking for a few projects.
I suspect its butted construction and the material costs will be a bit higher.
I can do the work in butted stainless but its labor intensive and I will not have time untill next month... Icefalcon may be able to help with welded/rivited gear.
Atlanta Armoury or even Knutt may have time if your looking for welded construction.

Aaron wrote:I thought if jousters had a lot made, I could buy one, if I could move with it.

Steel everything, but a cup, sounds odd IMO.

And Rod Walker's situation sounds like it HURT badly.

-Aaron

The Muay Thai cups work (and yes, the attachment is odd unless you like thongs), the cup sans g-string fits perfectly in my motocross padded knickers. The main consideration on wearing any hard cup is that you wear a support garment that keeps your goodies under the cup. If you ever get a hard shot with a sensitive part of you under the cup's edge ... well, Hello Smelling Salts.

This:
http://www.macho.com/productdetails.asp ... emno=WWWGG


I've worn one before, back when I did full contact EMA. Takes the beating rather well, should hold out for rattan as well.

Honestly though...this is a definite case of "best defense, no be there"!

I'm glad Lloyd answered that one. It made my taint hurt just thinking about riding in a cup.
Richard

This is a subject close to my heart. I am currently working on an idea for some extra protection 'down there'. When you travel for an event and don't have your own kit, you are stuck with whatever equipment can be scrounged for the event sometimes. This can include riding in an english saddle, whatever.

I am making a saddle front to fit my stock saddle until I can afford a custom war saddle with a nice high pommel. But of course they don't fit in your carry on luggage.

Any sort of cup will interfere with your seat position or just be damn uncomfortable. So, I am looking at creating some additional protection out of thick leather that would point inside my maille skirt and sit just right to create a protective curtain when I am in the saddle but not interefere with my seat.

Having spoken to Rod about his injury and seen at least 3 very good hits to the codlings at various tournaments, it is a priority safety area! Watching a grown man dry retching afterwards is very motivational.

Ouch!!!

Backing a brayette with leather (at least in the front) works well and gives you another layer of protection. Your best bet is to have a decent saddle plate and brayette to give you "almost" maximum protection. Even with a full saddle plate a lance that slides down your breast plate can take you in the cods.

Aaron,

I've been looking to make voiders (both arms and legs) for my 15th century plate kit (also in SS), so I've been looking arond.

Where did you get your skirt?

I've found these places handy.

http://www.ringmesh.com/default.asp

and

http://theringlord.com/cart/shopdisplay ... 9537024443

I've also very rarely found used examples of Davis & Whiting welded industrial SS mail around. Usually Butchers gloves or aprons.

Last week however I scored a full D&W SS shirt on Ebay for $80 including shipping. It just arrived today, and I'm very happy with it. Its a Large, and I can just squeeze into it. But since I plan to cut it up and make voiders for my arming garmets, its no problem that it barely fits around my.... errr ummm... rotund.... belly

Ice Falcon sold me a mail drape for my helm that was HUGE and I only needed a bit form my armet. The part I cut away became my skirt. My mail drape is six inches long. The "skirt" leftover is 20 inches long.

It was a big mail drape.

-Aaron